Summary
Wisconsin resident Bradley Bartell voted for Trump’s promise to crack down on “criminal illegal immigrants,” but now his Peruvian wife Camila Muñoz has been detained by ICE.
Muñoz, from Peru, overstayed her visa but had applied for legal residency. On their way home from a honeymoon, immigration agents detained her at a Puerto Rico airport.
Despite no criminal record, she remains in a Louisiana detention center. Her case reflects ICE’s broadened enforcement that now includes documented immigrants.
Bartell, once supportive of stricter immigration policies, now questions the impact on families like his own.
Aren’t these people guys with guns who fantasize about fighting tyranny? Well this is your fucking chance to shine, sweetheart!
Damn, it’s almost enough to make you think every single Trump supporter is an ignorant idiot absolutely devoid of any concept of forethought.
Muñoz, from Peru, overstayed her visa but had applied for legal residency.
I have to assume this guy was aware of this. So if you vote to have “illegals” deported, how is this not exactly what you voted for?
They really don’t like having to think about things do they?
I wonder if he told at all her he votes for people that want her gone.
The overwhelming majority of ‘illegal’ residents are visa overstays.
Like Melania Trump! She overstayed her tourism visa, while also working while on a tourism visa.
It’s almost as if being a racist douchebag is bad for everyone…
I will never not be amazed at the hatred and stupidity at the heart of MAGA
Did you ever learn about say… The Jewish Holocaust? The Rwanandan Genocide? The Palestinian Genocide?
Hate can, and does, go very deep, and is very easy to tap for those who look to do so, for their own ends.
Those damn leopards at it again.
I wonder if she knew he was actively supporting the politics of people that hate her.
LOTS of immigrants are anti-immigrant once they think they’ve made it in safely. Makes them feel better about themselves I guess.
I’m gonna go with probably not.
At least over here in Finland there are several immigrants who are running for the communal elections through the anti-immigration party Perussuomalaiset. And they get voted by other immigrants. They are many. Remember, “many” does not mean the same as “most”.
She probably thought “I’m one of the good ones! I LOVE TRUMP! He will kick out those dirty Mexicanos!!!”
You shouldn’t have to have it happen to you before you realize the impact it has on others, but that’s what we’re up against.
Empathy takes a little thought and many people just can’t think.
I once saw it described on Lemmy that Conservatives have sympathy but no empathy.
I saw a Ted talk that talked about inability to entertain the hypothetical. Some people are simply unable to entertain the hypothetical "what if my wife is deported’, they can only recognize it when it becomes "my wife is being deported ".
I’ve heard that some people have difficulty with hypotheticals in general. not just on political issues, like it’s a surprisingly common cognitive issue.
Stimulating watch!
I think both (edit: lack of) Empathy and this inability are required.
Inability to entertain the hypothetical is a failure in the pure logic reasoning side, quite independent of Empathy.
So, even the purest of sociopaths (hence, no Empathy whatsoever) can reason that “this can turn around and bit me” and thus not do certain things against others purelly for the selfish reason of not wanting to risk it coming around and bitting them.
Meanwhile those with Empathy will partly feel the emotions of others when observing them, and also when imagining “how does/will this make them feel”. They don’t tend to do things that hurt others because they themselves end up feeling some of the pain via their own Empathy.
So people with high Empathy won’t even want to do things to hurt others because it feels bad, those with low or no Empathy but an ability to entertain the hypothetical won’t support certain kinds of things that will hurt large groups of “others” purelly because of the higher risk that they themselves might directly or indirectly end up worse off from it and only the ones combining low Empathy and that inability to entertain the hypothetical (or just being too stupid to even begin to understand the risks of those things) will actual support such broad attacks on “others”.
Link, please?
And they confuse the two and think they’re being empathetic. I’m not even sure they have sympathy anymore.
And there’s this whole war on empathy thing going on for a while.
Honestly I think this is part of why conservatives like homeschooling so much; being in a close classroom environment teaches most people empathy as they quickly realize they are not the center of the teacher or anyone else’s universe.
Conservatives want to deprive us the lesson of empathy.
From the article I don’t get a sense he is at all questioning his vote. He feels his case is special and the government messed up. For him. She’s vetted, so it’s ok. The others deserve what they are getting.
Yep. Brackets by me:
[Him and his wife] have been thinking a lot about [his] vote for Trump.
“I knew they were cracking down,” he said. “I guess I didn’t know how it was going down.”
He imagined the administration would target people who snuck over the border and weren’t vetted
But his wife, “they know who she is and where she came from,” he said. “They need to get the vetting done and not keep these people locked up. It doesn’t make any sense.”
The dumbfuck doesn’t show any contrition at all, he just says oops I didn’t know. When this topic came up in the interview, he didn’t admit any regret or that he put himself (and his wife) in this position - he just says that the government is wrong to do this to him/his wife, and that they should go after other illegals instead. What a piece of shit.
He’s probably just playing CoD while his wife shivers in a cell. His main grievance is that regular sandwiches aren’t arriving.
I bet he’s playing cello suite no.1 in G major
lol. Where is this from?
An article from just after Jan 6th happened. My phone says I saved it on Jan 8th, 2021, so it was literally a day or two after.
Empathy is a marker of intelligence. I strongly doubt the education of conservatives. Hence the need for first-hand experience
My sister in law’s family are all El Salvadorian refugees in Houston. Everyone under 50 are citizens now, but las abuelitas are not. They were all massive Trump supporters hoping that he will kick out “all the illegals” but are convinced that their grandparents wont be deported, and that they might be able to bring in more family.
Juxtapose that to my family, where my English mom was naturalized 20 years ago after coming to the US on a green card. My family have always been pro-immigrarion since we would never dream of denying someone the same opportunity that we were given. We are all ao flabbergasted by it, but they all love Bukele as well, so i guess it shouldn’t be a surprise.
This is the problem endemic with the GOP voter mindset as a whole. They lack any shred of compassion and only care about themselves. The point of a society is shared burden. If you don’t want to love your neighbor, go live in the woods
This reads like the post Brexit articles. What do people expect to happen when they vote for something?
I didn’t think leopards would eat my face
“I’m a good person and this was only supposed to happen to bad people” - every Far-Right muppet when it turns out that the in-group is a lot smaller than they thought and they ain’t in it.
“And then they came for the libs joking about leopards, but there was no one left to speak up…”
People got too used to being able to cosplay as oppressed victims of the state despite decades of minor policy changes between Democrat or Republican administrations.
All Americans got to enjoy conjuring any abstract worldview they wanted with the freedom of knowing they can say what they want whenever they want, never feel repression and just go home and watch tv. Maga got to pretend they were actively oppressed by the state which let’s them justify supporting real state oppression towards people they don’t like.
I imagine a lot of maga dorks voted for this, expected performative moves but a mostly stable continuity of the American center. I don’t know if they’ll ever admit it but I bet they are going to regret this president keeping his promises when they are stripped of all of their rights and their safety nets. The time for hyperbolics and hysterics are over, fascism is here, they are going to get ground down with the rest.
Feel sorry for her. Maybe she’ll find a better partner.
Well, can’t say trump isn’t keeping my the promises he made when on campaign
Imagine being an immigrate and marrying a Trump supporter. Should we feel sorry for her? Because I feel no sympathy for him.
Imagine being an immigrate and marrying a Trump supporter.
Imagine being an immigrant and marrying a Trump. FIFY
Not even blue steel could help you then.
People usually believe that politics is something that comes after personal relationships.
Which is a dumb belief.
“Love conquers all” lol no, you don’t live in a fucking Disney movie.
Certain political beliefs can and will do harm. Feelings will not protect you from harm. Choose your partner wisely.
There are easier ways to get divorced… just saying
These clowns always pull up the ladder after they “get theirs.” Marry an immigrant and think you’re safe? Vote to get rid of the ones you don’t like via a Dictator. Dictators turn on their supporters sooner or later, for them it was sooner. Wait until he comes for the guns. He’s the only president that has said guns should be taken away.
E: Getting lots of gateway timeouts for .world, anyone else? I’m in the US.
I hate how many people are this fucking stupid.
hateful*
*hateful and stupid
Good. It sucks for her, but Trump voters don’t deserve to have happy lives.
What about biden voters? Lib genocide gets a pass?
Friend you’re on the wrong instance. .ml has a spot open for you, all you have to do is cry about “the libs” like a Trumper and you’re in.
Okay I’m jumping on this sword… When Israel attacked Palestinians, I was like yeah baby! 9-11? Now kiss my entire…but then we heard the US was helping and finally… Innocent people are being followed by drone and bombed…oh man, kiss my entire… WTF is the US doing? No, no! Not in our name! Why doesn’t Joe Bidden stop it? Totally wrong side of history. The only saving grace is that the world knows how powerful we are…but also we’re just dumb fucks and now with trump we’re also assholes. We’re both the most powerful nation in the world, but just too stupid to figure out who to hit.
As an example, Ukraine. Why didn’t we go and bomb Ukraine??? Under trump that’s a valid question. A sane person might wonder instead, where’s putin now and how can we deliver as many bombs as possible directly to him for him to keep and personally observed their functionality POV. Even now, we could do this. Just find the guy and drop some good stuff on him. A grand piano, an ACME anvil, anything, rocks. But ger him to “understand” our point of view about the things he is doing.
Of course he doesn’t, but we are talking about the Here and Now.
