https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet 8/EFTA00025010.pdf
Witness Information First Name: Donald Middle Name: Last Name: Trump Age: 70 DOB: Additional Info: Again, just trying to find out the NYPD detective on the FBI sex trafficking task force that called me a couple of weeks ago and spoke to me about some of these issues. How is Contact Known: He participated regularly in paying money to force me to [REDACTED] with him and he was present when my uncle murdered my newborn child and disposed of the body in Lake Michigan.
Somehow this is worse than I expected, fucking hell
president of the united states, everyone 😎
Amazing he managed to keep this being a sex predator under wraps for so long!
/s
How could we have known?! He said it was innocent locker room talk!
He might be onto the whole “not making into heaven if there is a heaven” thing.
Nah. It’s quite clear that if there’s a heaven, you don’t want to go there because God is clearly the bad guy. That’s why Lucifer was trying to overthrow him; home boy tried to put an end to the evil.
Personally I’m holding out for Valhalla or at least Hel. I’d rather my afterlife end eventually.
Personally I just wanna be a ghost, drifting aimlessly, tied to a place and time. A place and time being bound to relativity. Meaning that as time passes, and the planet goes around the sun, and the sun goes around the galaxy, while the galaxy is moving, earth just shits out a trail of ghosts lost in space like a comet sheds its tail.
What he’s really onto is that he is a really stable genius. Not many people could have made it from that level of implication to the presidency.
But right now we’re just making him fall (without violence as you prefer), I’m just sad we’re helping Thiel install his ultimate puppet.
He is also accused of beating up 12 years for not performing properly while being raped.
He is a violent child rapist and we must assume he has murdered some of his victims.
The reason I believe this is true is because in the last election Trump kept accusing Democrats of supporting “post-birth abortions”. The man tells on himself so much that it makes this claim very plausible.
Yeah, most regular people heard “post-birth abortion” and were like “wtf that’s not even a thing” but Trump was apparently speaking from personal experience and proved us all wrong.
“post-birth abortions”
That was a GOP talking point way before Trump.
Also, his documented and adjudicated history of rape; and his documented hobby of “inspecting” the girls changing room during his Miss Teen USA pagents.
I believe it because I believe victims by default.
There is zero indication any of these people have been coherced into making allegations but countless cases where his victims have been coherced into silence.
He DID that Because he was UNDERCOVER trying to STOP Jeffrey Epstein from RAPING Children and in Order to keep His cover he HAD to Rape Children and KILL their Aborted Babies!
And a Merry Christmas to you to Mike!
I see and appreciate this campaign of yours lol
I always enjoy his comments. I get the feeling he has spent a lot of time hearing stupid MAGAt shit and is totally over it.
Yep. I’m a sucker for well done satire. A lot of his comments are just perfect haha
It’s not an “aborted” fetus. It was a living breathing baby. Huge difference
*unaborted, aka living and breathing. Probably crying.
On the “other site” this would require a sarcasm tag.
There’s a point where it might be safer for Trump to actually face a fair trial and go to jail. Without justice, people are likely to make more attempts at enforcing justice outside the system after reading these accounts.
The same people who’d attempt to shoot up a pizzeria over a bullshit pedophile ring claim wouldn’t lift a damn finger about this because their god emperor can do no harm in their eyes.
Is this before or after that one dude clipped him in the ear?
Do you mean the clipped ear that shows no sign of damage?
Well Kirk also caught a bullet. Regardless of if that is conspiracy or simply looks like conspiracy because the FBI is that inept doesn’t really matter. If someone in a position of influence wanted to remove Trump for one reason or another they could probably pay someone off and make it seem like it was over Epstein. It’d be a pretty fucken solid excuse.
I will forever be convinced that Trump’s ear was struck by glass from a shattering teleprompter screen and that all the blood was because he’s on blood thinners. (Plus any kind of head wound bleeds like a MF.)
No way that old creep healed up without a mark within days if he actually got shot.
Why do that when he could just pardon himself?
Pardons are only valid in the eyes of the law. But Trump had dismantled and discredited the legal institutions, so pardoning himself would be about as effective as him sitting in a ring of salt and candles on the floor: a fun show, but in no way protective of anything.
thars why he has his own little army
Without justice, people are likely to make more attempts at enforcing justice outside the system after reading these accounts.
Yeah one of the seven americans that’s not just waiting for other people to act, or those wanting a third term.
Rock Spiders are not safer in prison. Typically they need to remain in solitary confinement and not have corrupt Screws guarding them.
In some prisons, all the “high risk” prisoners are grouped together for their own protection, but that means that they are locked up with other Rock Spiders and Child Killers.
What the hell is a rock spider?
Convicted and Sentenced Paedophile.
You’re thinking like a young person. He’ll be dead in a couple of years from “old age”. Trump’s concern now is his legacy.
A lot of people want Trump dead for reasons that have nothing to do with this; and he is entitled to lifetime secret service protection.
Lmfao, the only one willing to do anything about his crimes are republicans. Im the last person to praise them but god damn democrats could watch their child get executed in front of them and they still wouldnt actually try for change. Theyre mind bogglingly spineless.
This seems to be a tip line report, I think the title deserves an “allegedly” or something, it sounds very matter of fact in it’s current wording.
It’s in the Epstein files. The community is EpsteinFiles. AFAIK, it’s not ‘allegedly’ in the Epsteins files. It is ‘actually’ in the Epstein files.
hthIt’s ‘actually’ in the Epstein files that he ‘allegedly’ did it. That’s not what the title says at all.
Removed by mod
Fair - it was crossposted to a politics comm unchanged, that was what I originally saw.
Fair point but c/politics is smart enough to see a cross post from a news article. Plus chances are the mods will remove it there when they wake up.
Let me just say I respect everyone who’s taking this with a grain of salt, since it’s not concrete evidence. Despite everything he’s done, we’re still being fair and not just piling up whatever anyone says he did.
Now this takes a bit of effort or thinking, especially when it’s such a scumbag. Thanks everyone for pursuing truth and not just sensational news. Let’s keep it up.
Also no disrespect to OP. This might very well be true. Honestly wouldn’t be so surprised… Which is a crazy sentence to write, given the context.
On one hand, sure. On the other hand, it is in everyone’s best interest that people believe this is true so I’m not going to go out of my way to question it publicly. I honestly don’t care if it’s a lie if it ends up finally killing his popularity.
Obviously it wont. The only people who are going to take this at face value are people who already want to believe it. Anyone with even a shred of credulity is just going to be offput.
‘A random FBI tip with no evidence! this is it drumpf is done for!!’ This is /r/the_mueller tier.
‘A random FBI tip with no evidence! this is it drumpf is done for!!’ This is /r/the_mueller tier.
Where did I say or suggest this? I’m literally just saying that I don’t care if it’s true or not, I’m going to spread it anyway.
Jesus Christ that’s depraved.
I am obviously not a Trump supporter, but you have to consider with 350 million people in the US, and the fact that he was the US president, he is obviously a frequent character in schizophrenic delusions.
The tip line should not be considered hard evidence in itself, as anyone can call in and make any kind of claim.
I have no doubt that he is a pedophile. I don’t believe this story without corroborating evidence though.
- This is from 2016 and testimony. She was threatened and then she disappeared. This had a witness that was willing to support her testimony.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRZa_cVshcI
- He was found to be guilty of rape in a civil trial
- He’s creepy with the pageant children in his care and bragged about walking in on them while they were changing
- He’s creepy with his daughter and said he would date her if she wasn’t his daughter
- He said Epstein is great guy and they’re alike. Also, Epstein likes them young
- He was best friends with Epstein and flew with him multiple times, once with just epstein and one of the victims
I believe the tip line until proven otherwise.
It’s like 99% certain he used the “services”, and probably helped the pipeline of new victims.
However the specifics of a web tip submitted in August 2020 in the height of a campaign should still be, itself, treated with some skepticism. There are indications that hopefully there’s corroborating material to the tip that is absolutely worth searching for, but by itself, we should be cautious.
Why do we have to give him the benefit of the doubt? He’s sending US citizens to be tortured in Salvadorian prisons and they have no rights. He’ll get the same benefit of the doubt he gives those people.
Because we don’t have to indulge in untrustworthy accounts because there’s so much concrete material to work with.
To open things up for unsubstantiated accounts we are inclined to believe is to undermine ourselves when calling out those sources when they are not consistent with the truth on other matters.
This should absolutely be kicking off efforts to substantiate the indicated events in the tip. But we shouldn’t act as if someone getting a tip into a web form is automatically a fact.
Meh, I go with the odds:
- This is from 2016 and testimony. She was threatened and then she disappeared. This had a witness that was willing to support her testimony.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRZa_cVshcI
- He was found to be guilty of rape in a civil trial
- He’s creepy with the pageant children in his care and bragged about walking in on them while they were changing
- He’s creepy with his daughter and said he would date her if she wasn’t his daughter
- He said Epstein is great guy and they’re alike. Also, Epstein likes them young
- He was best friends with Epstein and flew with him multiple times, once with just epstein and one of the victims
I believe the tip line until proven otherwise.
We can go with those more well vetted sources until someone finds something to substantiate this tip.
If we go by unverified tips submitted to the FBI website, then we probably could get quite a few tips from 2016 alleging they saw Hilary Clinton going into the pizzagate place, ordering extra cheese, and walking out with a trafficked kid.
Here it’s more plausible as it is more consistent with Epstein and Trump and all, but in an open tip line, it’s just a mess
I have no doubt that he is a pedophile. I don’t believe this story without corroborating evidence though.
I do. The corroborating evidence is literally every single other thing we know about him.
If someone claimed they saw Billy the Burglar burgling their house - who 27 people previously reported catching burgling their houses, and who was on record talking about how much he liked burgling people’s houses, and was a known documented member of a secretive Burglar’s Guild - would you be like “hey, we don’t know that it was him THIS time, could’ve been someone lying to profit from claiming on the insurance”?
Your “example” broadly agrees with what I say. There is a lot of evidence that he is a pedophile. There is no evidence that he was present during the dumping of a newborn’s body into lake Michigan - which is a different act to the “burglary” metaphor.
MAGA logic: if she was pregnant then obviously she went through puberty and thus technically not a pedophile.
Disclaimer: This specific item as yet is a tip that was submitted over a web form in the middle of Trump’s 2020 run. It does need some corroboration before we get too attached to the specifics of this particular document.
Doesn’t this say that Epstein raped her and Trump was a witness?
Part about Trump:
He participated regularly in paying money to force me to (redacted) with him and he was present when my uncle murdered my newborn child and disposed of the body in Lake Michigan.
I guess it’s hard to follow all of the redacted "he"s.
The “He” here is not redacted. Although is confusingly listed as a “witness” instead of a “subject”. I assume this was because the subject of the particular investigation this was filed under was Epstein, not Trump.
No it’s saying that Epstein was the organiser and Trump was one of the men who paid to rape her.
I searched and found an article on this, in the Hindustan Times of all places. Nada from US media.
US media-or at least reputable sources-will not report on a story like this with no corroborating evidence.
Except that there’s tons of corroborating evidence
Please post it so we can all view it
The Epstein files themselves are a major story; independent of the truth of what is contained within them. There is serious talk about impeaching the US attorney general over her role in illegally suppressing these documents due to loyalty to president Trump. And there has been major public discussion about why the Trump administration has been so hostile to releasing them.
This all makes the mere existence of an allegation against Trump in the documents genuinely newsworthy.
you misspelled “Propaganda” at the end.
i really wish trump gets impeached already. seriously!
Impeach>remove> jail
Not the rich people jail, but the max security jail where, the ones where the prisoners ask you for you documentation to make sure you are not a pedo, it wont be necessary in this case.
Although I have no doubt, they will just Impeach as a symbolic gesture, then stop at removing him. and legally, there might not be any system to send him to jail. as he can pardon himself and anything illegal he does to avoid accountability is 100% legal just for him.
Presumably these would fall under state crimes, for which the president cannot issue a pardon.
But, will there be any prosecution for them?
This right here is why abortion bans don’t have exceptions for rape.
Republicans wouldn’t get to do shit like this.
How else do Republicans reproduce?
That sounds implausible. Why would he be personally present at the murder? Whatever the truth of the matter with Trump is overall, we have to remember that celebrities attract false accusations from mentally disturbed people.
I think the idea is that jeffrey epstein hooked him up with some filthy man who pimped out his own underage niece and that pimp was so morally repugnant thst he himself executed the child produced, with Donald Trump watching to make sure it was done. It does sound a bit wacky, but then again they tried to redact all this and hide it from us rather than just label it as slander.
I also don’t think Trump had many enemies then, so I’m less inclined to say they were slandering him2020The complaint was in 2020, so plenty of people had a chance to hate him.
Oh, right. Important distinction
Also they were universally hated since at least his dad adulthood, basically a sort of (real estate) mobsters, but that mostly affected regular people, not other powerful folk of the time.
Presumably though, this happened a while back. So he may have been more careless, if it is true.
Don’t forget he dropped the baby’s corpse into Lake Michigan.
Don’t forget he was in real estate and casinos and borrowed money from the Russian mob. He’s a mob guy.
This was released and is still available at the doj
That doesn’t look any more trustworthy than the story in the OP.
The justice.gov link?
I believe that it is a real document. I don’t believe that it is reliable evidence for what it’s describing. It’s just a phone call someone made to the FBI after Epstein’s suicide had made his connection to Trump national news.
How do you feel about the Katie Johnson testimony?
Its an hour later, OP link is dead, DoJ scrubbed it.
Hope somebody archived that one!
EDIT: False Alarm!
I apparently have something weird going on with my mobile lemmy app.
It still works for me.
This is what I'm getting
Erp, ok, wait, false alarm. Sorry bout that…
The second link brings me to the error page.
The first link, that’s in the post header itself I think… that one works.
They’re the same url…?
Not sure how that’s happening.
Hooray for mobile apps!
There’s multiple cross posting going on to add to the mess.
I just got a Not Found
Try the … main link … in the post header itself, not the second one in the body of the post?
Oh, whoops. Yeah, I guess there’s two? I’m not sure what’s going on, but yeah one is good.
Both seem to work on a desktop interface. I suspect that the link in post is not properly encoding the space in the URL, the are the same otherwise.
