- cross-posted to:
- ukraine@sopuli.xyz
- cross-posted to:
- ukraine@sopuli.xyz
Summary
Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau opposed any deal letting Russia keep Ukrainian land, saying it would encourage other countries to break international rules.
Speaking to a NATO meeting, he highlighted Canada’s $19.5 billion aid to Ukraine and stressed the need to defend global stability.
Trudeau defended his plan to raise military spending to 2% of GDP by 2032 after criticism of Canada’s low defense funding.
He warned against isolating Ukraine, saying continued support is crucial to stop further global conflicts.
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If Russia is permitted to annex any part of Ukraine it sends the message that they can attack any country and eventually take over parts of it.
If the world doesn’t stop Russia from taking Ukraine, Russia isn’t going to stop once they’ve taken Ukraine.
Exactly! I don’t know why appeasement is even discussed with any seriousness. We’ve all seen this before.
Previously on: “World History”
England: “Fine, fine, you can have, like,
Polanda slice of Czechoslovakia, but then chill out!”Narrator: “He did not ‘chill out’.”
(Edited for accuracy. Thanks!)
The United Kingdom, along with France, ceded Czechoslovakia’s Sudetenland, not Poland, to Hitler’s Germany; in fact, it was the Nazi regime’s invasion of Poland the following year that prompted France and the United Kingdom to declare war.
Excellent points and I really appreciate your correction. Accuracy is still important even for rhetorical jokes like mine haha.
Edited. Thank you! :)
Can’t understand why you’re being downvoted. This is quite literally the collective assessment of NATO.
It’s also essentially why NATO exists. I understand the “not involved in conflict” clause for applying but this seems like a special occasion where the conflict is coming from the whole reason the damn organization was created in the first place
I don’t get why Russia isn’t picked apart by its neighbors. They behave like a bully, just gang up on him already.
2/3rds of Ukrainians want the same. They just need the help to resist the Russian invasion.
Poll data was part of Perun’s latest video on the latest developments of the war and what the turning point will be:
https://youtu.be/vf2vSoWsmgI (0:50:38)
Why only 2/3?
getting 2/3 of anyone to agree on anything is hard enough when you’re not dealing with 40 million people, all of whom have direct consequences of the outcome of the decision. you’re gonna have a few deluded souls who’ve allowed themselves to think russia (lowercase intentional) is their ally, but you’re also going to have people who think the best thing to do is ceasefire now and find a better path in the future. i’d estimate there’s around one perpective on this war per ukrainian citizen, and so “should we retain our boundaries when this is over” is just one way of getting a cross sectional view of those perspectives
With the war this long, I wouldn’t be surprised if there is a segment of the Ukrainian population that says, “Let’s just end this. If that means we give up some land for peace, and Russia pays for it, it’s worth the lives saved.”
I’ve been reading a lot about the US revolutionary war and there were definitely those who wanted an end to hostilities even if it meant returning to the crown.
I’m not saying it’s right because we all know Russia would absolutely invade again. But it might help explain some of the 1/3 that don’t agree with not giving an inch to Russia.
I assume the other 3rd are “Ukrainian” in the way that they’ve been places in Ukraine by Russ, but remain loyal to Russia, not Ukraine
Meh. To be honest, I shouldn’t be surprised that even if your assumption is true, this was the result.
Hell, 45 became 47
The US elections aren’t the only thing targeted by the Kremlin’s propaganda
War weariness is a thing.
I wouldn’t be surprised if a non-insignificant number of that 1/3 that doesn’t oppose Russia keeping some territory are just tired of the war and want it to be over.
3 years is a long time to live in a war torn country with frequent power outages and food shortages. People tend to disassociate when it doesn’t affect them directly and if they happen to live on the Western side of Ukraine, losing territory on the Eastern border will have less of an effect on them than continued food and power shortages.For one reason: because there are selfish people who only care about themselves and today, not others and not tomorrow.
Imagine being selfish, and just thinking that if the war ended now, your own quality of life will immediately improve, to hell with others whose homes are now Russian territory.
War is hell. They have made many sacrifices. There is some part of the population that would like for the war to end and defacto (not dejure) give up Crimea and donbass in return for NATO protection. Unfortunately that outcome is very much not possible unless they get more help from the west. Russia’s current goal is annexation of all of Ukraine.
1/3 are probably working class people who are aware that their conditions under the ukrainian government or russian government will be the same and that war will only bring them more misery.
Wow, us ml leaking or something?
Your brain is leaking. Do you have anything serious to say or you are here only to shitpost?
Well that’s not a very kindhearted response
Raise the military spend now. Stop kicking the can. We’ve helped, sure, but we need to do more.
Agree 100% we can’t rely on our rich bi-polar brother in the methlab of a house next door to protect us anymore.
As one of those rich bipolar methlab brothers, save yourself while you can
You need protection from greedy politicians and the military industry sucking in public money and fueling wars.
Finland has a pretty absurdly strong military. It really is a waste of money. But it has this military because it shares a border with Russia. If Finland did not have such a military, it would be invaded. That is what empires do. Finland’s military does not start war; it prevents it.
Ideally, neither side would have to waste money on this military, but until Russia gives up theirs, Finland can’t give up theirs either. Good luck convincing Russia to do that.
Not long ago, I would have been in total agreement with you. The very idea of stealing land through invasion was so antiquated to me that I did not believe even Russia would do it until the moment their troops crossed the Ukrainian border. Now, I reluctantly am forced to conclude that not only is Russia that backward, it probably always was, and the only reason Finland has been safe all these years is because of the military that I thought was so absurd.
If Finland did not have such a military, it would be invaded.
That’s a speculation you are making, russia spend 20 times as much as finland does in war they wouldn’t have much problems invading finland if it was all about military strength.
That is what empires do
That’s true USA does the same.
Ideally, neither side would have to waste money on this military, but until Russia gives up theirs, Finland can’t give up theirs either.
While finland spend less than russia NATO combined spend 20 times as much as russia does in war. Do you see where your logic leads? To match USA alone russia would have to tenfold their military budget.
These figures require sources.
Sure Russia could beat Finland in an invasion, eventually, but due to Finland’s army, it would be far more trouble than it’s worth. And let’s leave the USA out of this.
Buuuut for as long as we’re not leaving the USA out of this, it is worth pointing out that Mexico and Canada do not live in constant fear of being invaded. Finland does, and this fear of invasion is very rational.
The Kremlin would be thrilled to see you in this thread shitting on the US
I’m Canadian. It’s a rite of passage for us to love our sibling while also shit on them. Don’t mistake it for a lack of caring.
Hell, I don’t know what my, assumed, fellow countryman was on there. Complaining about the shittiness of our country is damn near the most American thing, right after Mac and Cheese, and German Chocolate Cake.
most American thing
German Chocolate Cake
