I’m talking about this sort of thing. Like clearly I wouldn’t want someone to see that on my phone in the office or when I’m sat on a bus.
However there seems be a lot of these that aren’t filtered out by nsfw settings, when a similar picture of a woman would be, so it seems this is a deliberate feature I might not be understanding.
Discuss.
Yes.
The tag is Not Safe For Work. I’d say that if you were to look at this in most work places you’d probably be speaking to HR within the hour…
Yes. Problem is that NSFW has lost its original meaning to a lot of people. NSFW was originally to hide things that might be controversial to be visible on your screen in a workplace, so it should be fairly conservative. Beachwear would 100% not be safe to look at in a work environment.
But now a lot of places are using it to determine what is safe to look at not in front of your boss, but in front of your kids or in public. That is a much different thing. NSFW flags should not be used to restrict kids from seeing it, just your boss. There needs to be a separate flag for hiding things from kids. And because social norms are different in different societies, there should be even more granularity in the flags. Nudity is just one thing that is NSFW.
NSFW should be reserved for blocking things that I don’t want to suddenly appear on my screen when I’m browsing the Internet on my break at work when I’m allowed to browse the Internet, but it wouldn’t be good for a naked picture to show up on my screen suddenly.
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As a huge Anime fan, with some catching up to do, I’ve blocked every anime adjacent community, because NSFW filtering isn’t applied as strictly as I would prefer, on the Anime communities here.
I enjoy a good sexually charged image as much as the next person, perhaps more.
But I scroll Lemmy in front of my impressionable daughter sometimes.
I would like to catch up on Anime recommendations, here.
But, to me, it’s just not worth the risk of suddenly needing to explain to my daughter why Faye Valentine’s parents didn’t love her enough to buy her full sets of clothing.
!anime@ani.social mostly posts key visuals and posters, episodes discussions, and news. Stuff you’d see in public.
The actual fanart side of things tends to stick to !anime_art@ani.social and !animepics@reddthat.com
the risk of suddenly needing to explain to my daughter why Faye Valentine’s parents didn’t love her enough to buy her full sets of clothing.
That wouldn’t be an issue if you’d fulfilled your duty as a parent and educated her on the classics.
That wouldn’t be an issue if you’d fulfilled your duty as a parent and educated her on the classics.
You have a point, actually.
Op, if my HR dept saw me scroll by that pic… It would be an annoying conversation. Like while I’ll agree, there’s no nudity… I would get in trouble. I’ve left some chatroom due to this… People just don’t understand that I don’t care but the folks cutting my checks will make a thing of it
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But when you suggest that it becomes a whole HR issue.
I prefer to frame it as an HR opportunity
I don’t understand the issue. Wouldn’t it be solved by the exact same solution?
I am of the opinion that there should be more granularity to NSFW than a simple binary.
I’m a fan of how e621 does things:
rating:s (safe)
rating:q (questionable)
rating:e (explicit,)
But I would add another:
rating:t (traumatic, known elsewhere as Not Safe For Life)
Call it “purity” and allow users to filter posts to allow or block any arbitrary combination of purity levels (wallhalla, formerly wallbase, does this if you want to see how it could work).
It would be great if everything could be classified in this way, but is it practically possible to apply a more complex system like this across instances, given that we struggle with the simpler NSFW tag?
The reason why people are struggling with one tag may also be exactly because it’s only one tag.
It’s difficult to categorize gray as black or white, after all.
Imo, the real issue is how not to go overboard, adding more and more tags, and keeping things easy to filter.
Perhaps. I’m not expert but I’m just not convinced you’d get good compliance across instances.
After all, even minimal non- compliance makes the whole thing pointless
Can’t the same be said about what we have right now, though?
No system is flawless, but you’d be surprised the lengths people will go to uphold the ones that work.
Moreover I don’t think these need to be on a single scale. Like, trauma isn’t “more” than pornographic, it’s just something completely different (ideally).
There can be a scale of safe to unsafe for a variety of reasons, and people might be able to filter what they see more proactively based on their own tolerances (and interests).
But then again complexity can be a deterrence. Tagging and cataloging can be a big content management problem and I think most want to do the simplest thing possible.
But maybe content advisory could be a crowd sourced effort, using a up/down ranking on explicit categories just like we can do on posts.
Makes sense to me.
There is https://github.com/LemmyNet/rfcs/pull/4 but lemmy devs aren’t responding for months.
I just want posts or communities to have category tags for me to block by tag. So I can block all anime and every non-English community.
I have nothing against them. They’re just not of interest to me and I don’t want them on my feed. Blocking a community is mostly useless because there are so many of them it’s like playing whack a mole.
I completely agree… Most of my block list are ‘moe’ communities, and it is only getting longer
There is a proposal to add Tags but devs aren’t really responding. https://github.com/LemmyNet/rfcs/pull/4
I think if you wouldn’t use it as your wallpaper at work because it is inappropriate for work, that’s NSFW. So yeah at my job that would be NSFW.
I wish there was strictly an amine tag so I could filter all that shit out like you can with nsfw. Blocked countless weirdass communities that randomly popup.
These are a few ways to get rid of them:
He’s proud!
Legend.
There is a proposal to add Tags but devs aren’t really moving it forward. https://github.com/LemmyNet/rfcs/pull/4
Why do these anime girls always look like they’re in their teens? Extremely creepy.
Because the target audience is usually teens.
I recently discovered Korean manga.
A lot of comics and protagonists are college age or in their 20s, compared to Japan’s 10 yo saving the world.
The most optimistic explanation I have been able to arrive at is that they are less intimidating for fragile male egos. However, I concur wholeheartedly: Extremely creepy.
This whole problem would be solved by adding more tags as per this proposal: https://github.com/LemmyNet/rfcs/pull/4 and enabling more filtering.
but @dessalines@lemmy.ml and @nutomic@lemmy.ml didn’t look at it for months and I don’t know what is their stance on it. The dev that wanted to implement it doesn’t want to spend energy to push forward for a green light.
I have no idea why is this such a debate.
NSFW is such a loaded term.
There is no need for any “green light”, if there was a problem with the rfc we would have said so from the beginning. From what I can tell the rfc is not completed yet, and when it’s completed someone still needs to step up to implement it. Even my own rfc which was finished months ago is still not merged and not implemented.
What would need to be done to complete it?
Well someone has to write the code.
I know someone that is willing to implement this feature, but they are waiting for merge of rfc to open a Pull Request with initial implementation.
As I understand the RFCs are for defining scope and design requirements for specific feature. And when the design is finalised RFC is merged. Then someone opens a PR to implement it.
If you were imagining some other process it would be beneficial to acknowledge change of development phase from designing to implementing.
P.S. The readme in the repo is supporting my view.
block .ml, problem solved =D
No, that doesn’t solve the problem. You have to have a merge accepted by the owners of the repo, unless someone wants to start a new fork and maintain that.
Yes, you could get in trouble at work for viewing it just like you said a picture of a real woman would be
As much as I like looking at pictures of anime girls I think they should be marked as NSFW if they are barely clothed.
Of course it should. NSFW doesn’t mean too hot to handle. It means, I don’t want coworkers or customers seeing this on my screen, as a matter of professionalism.
I feel like the Internet needs more tags:
- Explicit (rude language, nudity, etc)
- Porn (nsfw legacy tag)
- Violence
- Not safe for life
Something like that.
These aren’t even enough.
The tag for this particular problem would be something like “mildly suggestive” because it’s literally just skin that some people don’t want to see.
Yeah, I agree. I do sort of understand op’s consternation. I don’t browse Lemmy on my work PC, but sometimes on lunch or in public I pull it up on my phone on All communities and I’m suddenly conscious that everyone beside me can see the “sfw” furry and anime art that I scroll past.
However, that’s kinda my fault. I don’t want to ban those communities because I like that stuff. It’s just a little odd that we call it sfw when, to be honest, I have a hard time picturing most work places where I live happy to see that on my desktop.
I’ve seen sites that have something similar, including a “suggestive” tag for pics like OP’s.
Yeah, that would be great. Many instance admins already use CSAM classifier models on all incoming images. It’d be great if they could add additional models that could put meta tags on images automatically like “suggestive” and “gore” with the option for the poster to modify the tags just in case it was a false negative or positive. Like a lasagna getting gore, for example.
I wonder if Lemmy could easily do content warnings like on Mastodon. I don’t know if it’s part of the ActivityPub spec but it’s definitely a thing that’s been implemented elsewhere.
The answer to “is it part of the activityPub spec?” is more often than not a strong No.
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Yes. 100%
