Please note that the official title of the article is:
Yevgeny Prigozhin: Wagner chief presumed dead after Russia plane crash.
Decided not to delete this post due to the many comments and discussions.
You know you can rename posts with clickbait titles right? Maybe just ask the user to rename and kick or ban him if he does not comply.
I did message him, bot no response as of yet.
The whole thing is sus:
- Prigozhin stages a march onto Moscow
- Putin runs away to St Petersburg, where a couple vans full of allegedly Prigozhin’s money get found, so he just stops short of Moscow and turns around
- Prigozhin runs away to Belarus, Wagner to split between “core” in Belarus and the rest getting incorporated into Russia’s military
- Russia blocks food export from Ukraine, holds a conference with African countries where it promises to send food
- Niger sees a military coup, asks for Wagner help, Russia agrees, Prigozhin releases video of himself in Africa
…just a couple days later…
- Prigozhin in a private plane over Russia, north of Moscow, in route to St Petersburg, crashes and dies along with other Wagner leadership
…wait, what? How? Why? Wasn’t he just in Africa, and not welcome in Russia?
While the article is named that, his death has been confirmed by the Russian government and afaik the genetic samples are being analysed
As of this moment, there is no credible news source that confirms with 100% certainty that he’s dead. It’s likely, but not confirmed.
When making claims like this, always provide your source.
Quite literally the FAVT(FAVT.gov.ru) telegram channel https://t.me/favt_ru/1278. They have the channel linked on the website😐
FAVT(FAVT .gov.ru ) telegram channel
So… any credible sources?
“🤓”
Anyway, then what’s more credible than an official source who’s been literally fearing this old smart ass man? Make a realistic example
Wow, I’ve been browsing Twitter, Reddit and Lemmy for the past few hours. I’m surprised to see such breaking news first in Lemmy instead of Twitter or Reddit.
Awesome! Hope the Fidiverse keeps on growing to become bigger than Reddit and Twitter.
Look at me
Lemmy is the frontpage of the internet now
Good point. Really good sign for users if we can get breaking news stories here like this.
literally the only reason i keep going to reddit to sort by rising every now and then.
Reddit hot sorts more by popular, so things take a long time to rise up.
Lemmy hot seems to be (too much) biased to new. Can be a bad thing because it looks like things don’t get popular. They do but you don’t see it by hot, you see it by top 12 hour.
Early 2010s Reddit was so addicting, if there was something in the world it was on the front page in 15 minutes. I remember being excited to check on Reddit after waking up to see that was the event of the day.
After 2016 the algo was screwed up and it became a cesspool of reposts and news were late to show up.
I think the algorithm for Lemmy’s hot sorting is just based on interactions within time unit. The newer the post, the more valuable an upvote is.
Lemmy “hot” seems to function a lot like reddit’s “rising”
The one thing current Reddit seems to do right is give smaller subreddits a chance to show up on Hot. Lemmy tends to be a little too simple, and the frontpage gets dominated by the one or two big groups.
Yeah, I’m pretty happy with the sorting algorithm in general for the way content gets presented, but some weighting to better include smaller communities would be great. Lemmy is still struggling with getting a critical mass in users to support niche interests, and a better post sorting could help a bit at least.
On Reddit you want to sort by “Rising” for this sort of breaking news stuff.
Now I learn this, 2 months after tossing that platform in the bin.
After years of wondering where the hell the breaking news went…
No problem, let’s have Hot 1 and Hot 2!
Hot 1 is Hot
Hot 2 is Top 6 hours
At least how I use it.
We’re missing “most comments in the last <time>”</time>
I think it’s only a matter of time. The enshitification of reddit is guaranteed, it’s really inevitable and it’s going to keep getting worse. Long live the Fediverse!
The Future is Federated.
old man
Who would have expected this? Surprised pikachu
But the only one who opposed Putin (with any military power) being dead isn’t necessary a good thing (imho)
Yeah, but he was stripped of all of his power. Wagner group is being rolled into the state military. The opportunity for Wagner to push back and or give Putin the boot has passed.
And, this dude was also an evil corrupt piece of shit. If he overthrew Putin, Russia would’ve still been an authoritarian disinformation state.
He was a straight-up Neo-Nazi and named the group after Hitler’s favorite composer. So yeah, he would have been infinitely worse than Putin… and that’s saying something.
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Yeah but a guy with a Stalin pfp told me Ukrainians are the real Nazis /s
Wagners are straight up fleeing into neighboring countries and Africa. They must have read the history books about what happens when one warlord assimilates another’s forces (they kill them quietly and easily now that they’re disarmed).
i don’t think, russia and historical knowledge can come together
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Seems like most reasonable folks didn’t think he’d reform Russia. The only “good” he’d cause would be unrest that would force Russia to pull out of invading their democratic neighbors.
If he overthrew Putin, Russia would’ve still been an authoritarian disinformation state.
He would at least cause a schism between the putin fanatics and everyone else.
But the only one who opposed Putin (with any military power) being dead isn’t necessary a good thing (imho)
Replacing one dictator with another who has the support of something like the Wagner group would not have been good for anyone but the Wagner group.
There would be no clean replacement. It would get very bloody and chaotic. Not a bad hypothetical scenario. But that ship has sailed when Prihozhin surrendered (he didn’t stand much of a chance anyway).
If we could avoid another “oops, all Taliban” outcome though, that would be grand.
The most surprising thing here is that nine people were willing to get on a plane with Prigozhin. That’s arguably much closer to actual suicide than any of the convenient window deaths that keep happening.
Good thing for Africa for sure.
Not really. Meet your new boss, same as your old boss. Russia isn’t pulling out of Africa.
Clearly more missiles are needed.
The Sahel is full of oil and minerals so the “war on terror” is in full swing.
Somehow I always thought they would poison him. More personal. But if he brought his own water, I suppose this saves everybody some time.
It’s not too late for them to identify the body by the “Polonium-210 tracer” he got during check-in.
I honestly thought he’d go via the classic window fall, but this was far more original.
It’s not like Putin and his closest cronies are in any way competent. They are removing anyone who dared to criticize. Before the coup Prigozhin, Girkin were allowed to say whatever they wanted as long as they did not undermine the general effort. Now Putin’s inner circle will ultimately disconnect themselves from reality: govern the country and the war from a bunker filled with scared yes-sayers with no alternative voices.
I’m pretty sure Ukraine still opposes Putin so at least we got that.
Lotta windows in airplanes.
Tragically the plane crashed into a surface to air missile.
Edit: yeah, this is actually what happened, no subtlety here, damn.
Like, fucking literally.
“Crash” my ass, BBC, you say it got shot down in the article, how is that not a more accurate and sensational headline?
“Prigozhin got blown the fuck up, like everyone knew he would the moment he pussed out, the Nazi coward.”
He needed to take Moscow, only chance he had to survive.
Technically, they just say that a Wagner linked Telegram channel said it got shot down. They’re probably waiting for better proof/additional sources before they take the full step of saying it was shot down themselves (at which point I think it’d get added to the headline).
So he fell out of a window created by a surface to air missile.
Totally an accident of course
I didn’t know airplanes couldn’t handle their polonium.
more windows are reserved only for stauncher enemies.
I’m honestly surprised that he lasted this long
I feel like when the attempted coup fizzled out there was a Russia expert who predicted he’s be dead within 90 days. Sounds like that guy was right.
Honestly didn’t need to be a expert on Russia to predict that
No kidding, literally everyone figured he’d be dead soon. Not sure how he didn’t realize that.
Weirdly enough, it’s exactly two months between the mutiny and his death. Interestingly enough, the invasion started on 24th as well. Weird.
Damn I was hoping he would be able to cause more chaos inside Russia before Putin had him killed.
That window of opportunity closed. Wagner got folded into the state military.
No window is ever closed in russia
How else would people fall accidentally out of them?
Makes it easier to
push peopleaccidentally fall out of.Harder to push people out of a closed window.
They have windows in the basement?
All that means is that Wagner has infiltrated the Russian military… while pooty might get lucky and get a few knuckleheads, trust and believe the hardcore of the hardcore have gone to ground and are dead set on putting Vlad’s head on a pike
You sly dog lol
One of the cardinal rules of power struggles is “If you’re gonna shoot for the king, don’t miss.”
Man didn’t even miss, he just got scared halfway through
From what I gather, he backed down because all his top men’s families were being threatened. Prigozhin’s family was kept safe, of course, but I don’t think they expected Russia to threaten the families of those further down the ladder.
This all just makes him seem naive and unprepared for the position he was in.
I have a theory.
I think the Slavic Russian Nazi a total dictator let run a private army might have been a little dumb.
It was just a prank, bro!
Furthermore,
Mercenaries and auxiliaries are useless and dangerous; and if one holds his state based on these arms, he will stand neither firm nor safe; for they are disunited, ambitious and without discipline, unfaithful, valiant before friends, cowardly before enemies
-- Machiavelli in the Prince
Not to call out Putin’s Russia for being amateur hour, but the Prince is probably the first thing to read for an aspiring dictator.
Wait, I’m listening to The Prince in audiobook form. Does that mean I’m an aspiring dictator?
Well, if you are, there might be a job opening in Russia for you soon!
He just stopped. It was the most bizarre coup attempt, really.
I mean he had to know, right? With guys like Putin if you go hot, you either kill him or he has you killed. There is no in-between. His entire image relies on that. Maybe they had Prigozhin’s family or something?
It might be that he was counting on the support of one or more Generals. That fizzled at the last minute, and then he didn’t know what to do.
When you play the game of thrones, you win or you die.
Plane must have accidentally ran into a surface-to-air missile. Y’know, as you do.
Classic MH17’d
I heard the plane had marital issues and gambling debt, no surprise it tried to end things on its own. Its unfortunate all the passengers were innocent victims and in no way targeted. /s
Good.
He was a fucking dumbass piece of shit who deserves this for not following through on his coup.
This is not surprising at all lmao.
the only surprising thing is that it took so long after mutiny
lemmy get this straight, you think it would somehow have been better for him, instead of Putin, to control Russia? Or am I reading this wrong?
It would have been better if they took each other out or at least if he started enough unrest so russia has take to more military out of ukraine to deal with him
I read it more like “he tried to roll the dice without anteing up”. Who the hell does that? Russia definitely wouldn’t be better with Prig, but it’s a hell of a thing to watch either way.
A blind man could have seen that coming.
He survived the last plane crash he was in by boy actually being on the plane. I assume there’s a chance it’s happened again.
Prigozhin allegedly had a massive influence on 2016 USA elections with his troll farms.
I don’t think Kremlin gave up on the 2024 elections, it’s just now they have Musk.
Yep Putin and Musk are clearly trying to weaponize the stupidity of a little less than half our nation. If Republicans fail to win, Russia and Putin’s special snowflake operation will fail.
Selenskyj was right: Prigozhin will be dead after two months. And he isn’t the only hardliner. I think within the last month six out of ten of the hardest hardliners fell out of the window. Or out of the sky.
Seems like Putin is currently liquidating the hardliners so there will be no negative feed back when he ends his “special operation” in a couple of weeks. Message at home will be: Wow, we did great, nobody objects and the world is in awe! And who disagrees will find an open window to jump through…
Putin is not ending his special operation.
A single party can start a war. Stopping, however, …
Why would he end the operation?
I am not saying he is ending it. I say he will try to prepare to end it without getting removed from power, to get away with a blue eye. He might offer some sort of a deal which Ukraine rightfully will reject. And finally he will move out, not getting most of his demands. But as he had all his hardliners removed he can still claim whatever he wants. Because not the winner but the person in charge decides what the truth is.
He should have gone all the way when he started the mutiny against Putin. He would be dead either way but at least he had the chance to take Hitler’s disciple with him to hell.
Somehow I doubt Russia would have been better off with Prighozhin in charge. I mean he was the one who did Putins dirty work for him.
Their MO is to threaten family members, threaten subordinates family members, etc.
The airplane itself mysteriously fell out of a window.
I wonder if there is a correlation between drop height and importance of the persons he’s killing.
Oh that’s why I fell over my kids’ toys. I’m unimportant but it WAS Putin!
it’s cause your kids ain’t putin their toys away
From time to time people like to try to bring levity and light to their lives by telling jokes. These jokes can make people smile or laugh and are generally considered as a good thing to make peoples lives better and more bearable.
I hope that helps.
yes, i know, i was doing that. i know how to spell “putting.”
omfglol, do I have egg on my face now
I thought you were autistic and my reply was indeed an attempt at spelling it out for a fellow autiste
Great, so we already have two data points now!
would that mean your child is a Russian spy?
Not spy necessarily, but ruthless tool of the Russian system.
Here’s hoping he had a dead man’s switch that releases tons of kompromat.
