The mainstream press failed to accurately describe the hand gesture that Elon Musk made twice at Trump’s Inauguration Day rally, setting a troubling precedent for the second Trump era.
The thing that my stomach drop is the crowd cheered. Not a shocked intake of breath or booing. They cheered. He did a sieg heil and they cheered it. If you cheer a Nazi doing Nazi things, you’re also a Nazi. The US has a Nazi infestation. Even if they get another remotely fair election to correct this, it won’t be accepted, again, and insurrection2 will have been prepared for, for 5 years. I feel that sieg heil of the richest person on earth marked the end of American democracy.
Republicans will never accept another election if a Democrat wins. This is our future, where every election they lose is contested. That is, if we have another election. I think we’re heading to a pseudo democracy like Russia, where they can vote but Putin always wins in a landslide.
To be honest, I don’t see them allowing a vote to go against them. It is if this shit can hold together without Trump. He’s old and doesn’t do diet or exercise. He’s the linchpin of it.
The heritage Foundation is trying to make Trump play the part of the anti Christ in the book of revelation. They need him there for 7.5 years i think. Im not sure if this includes his first term or not. They might just decide to go ahead with the lake of fire part in 3.5 years.
I’ve seen people here on Lemmy, people I don’t think are just trolling, that are finding convoluted reasons to excuse it as not a Nazi salute. And I am so fucking tired of it. Listen to virtually everything he has ever said on the subject of race and gender and sexual orientation and other such things. Maybe if he didn’t have a really long history of being a racist, maybe if he didn’t support the Germany’s modern Nazi party, maybe if he isn’t trying to get an unapologetic Nazi out of prison in the UK, I would consider that he accidentally did a Nazi salute (twice). But that’s not the reality.
“Oh sure, he’s a bigot that loves Nazis, but that wasn’t a Nazi salute” is some real fucking bullshit.
Internet forums have always been full of contrarians who want to be the only ones to know the “real truth”. That explains a lot of it. Others just get lost in the logic of it. I’f I can’t prove that he held true Nazism in his heart when he did it, does it count as a Nazi salute?’ This is sort of futile question they ask. The fact that there’s broad consensus on what this was makes them more likely to try to logic their way into a special minority position.
Yeah, I think I wholeheartedly agree with the Die Zeit journalist. If a right-wing person does a Hitler salute in front of a right wing audience… It’s probably a Hitler salute… Context matters and it’s not like Musk usually shares left-wing perspective on his platform. We know for a fact whom and what he sympathizes with…
“Corporate Media”
Where’s the confusion?
It is a fun activity to think of legal standards here. Of course we don’t know what he was thinking for sure, and we never will, just like everyone else in the world every day of our lives. But we can and do judge people by their actions… In other words, where do people want to put this Nazi salute? What is their certainty about his action? Below are the legal standards.
- Reasonable suspicion
- Probable cause
- Preponderance of evidence (more likely than not)
- Clear and convincing
- Proof beyond a reasonable doubt
Where would you rank the Nazi salute conclusion? I think proof beyond reasonable doubt, and perhaps we could reasonably debate claims that it’s a level or two weaker than that. But the deniers, they want to say there’s not even reasonable suspicion, and that is a sad joke.
If it was something that came out of the blue, I might be more inclined to give the benefit of the doubt, but the man follows, regularly retweets and converses with actual (as in, they call themselves that) Nazis on Twitter.
It just shows that the mainstream media (and the ADL) aren’t really interested in the truth.
It was a Nazi salute without a doubt. The only question is if it was accidental or intentional. Musk being a far-right operative and making a bunch of Nazi puns as his response instead of an apology for the misunderstanding makes it clear it was not an accident.
I’m pretty sure what you mentioned are principles used in courts of law. As a rule, journalists can and should call a spade a spade. They don’t need to prove beyond reasonable doubt what he was thinking.
Because US corporate media is owned by fellow fascists.
Next?
because a huge part of fascism is the merging of corporations with the government.
the corporate media is covering for nazis for the same reason the leader enshittificator Alphabet, the otherwise twitter’s direct competitor Evil Corp, and of course the slavery warehouse Amazon were all represented with their figureheads Sunil Bakshi, the T-600, and Lex Luthor alongside that Troglodyte Phony Stark. they’re merging.
That is the precise thing your average true believer right wing “libertarian” doesn’t understand about fascism.
It doesn’t matter whether the state or the corporations absorb the other, the merging of these power structures (and religion as well) is the goal. The result is still a tyranny that can only be escaped with war.
The corporate press is now just a pro-kleptocracy propaganda outlet. Representing the views of an oligarchy isn’t exactly “mainstream” so we should stop calling it that.
They worked very hard to get the Nazis elected. That’s why.
Because there’s just enough “plausible deniability” that they could face costly legal challenges by oligarchs who have endless money to throw at bogus claims
$$$
Lemmy should maintain a list of competent and incompetent news sources. In lots of places.
Well the first part is easy. If their corporately owned. Especially publicly they are by Nature incompetent. The other half though is the interesting half of the question
Because they are saluting right back at him.
Same reason they reported everything Harris did as some wild mistake or deeply questionable, and reported every insane thing Trump said like it was just a well meaning elder statesmen making open ended questions to contemplate.
Because everyone wants to hope it won’t happen to Us. They think/hope that by not acknowledging, it won’t exist. A la COVID. Nothing like sticking your head into the sand… 😮💨
