How the fuck does actually going out to protests and being arrested in the process count as slacktivism? Have you been arrested for what you believe in?
I don’t go out and protest. Not my thing. I have a job.
I write my senators and I donate to politicians who share my values. Anyone who supports fracking. Doesn’t get a dollar for me. Anyone who is anti-abortion. Doesn’t get a dollar from me.
Can you list how the world has changed since her protest? Doesn’t seem overly effective.
Tesla has serious quality control issues. They have serious design issues like being deliberately obtuse in the name of “innovation”. They haven’t made any significant improvements to any of their cars since the launch.
Most importantly, they have serious leadership issues. Particularly, a long history of deception and broken promises.
Musk was in the right place at the right time to launch Tesla. He’s got a pretty good corner on the battery market, and hopefully he doesn’t abuse that.
I vote for my own interest but thanks for the advice.
Neither party has a viable solution for climate change. I think the democrats is worse than the republicans.
Also you don’t understand wealth. If Elon converted his wealth to cash, he’d no longer be at Tesla, space x, boring, etc. that wealth is the value of those companies.
Personally I’d like to see him take a step back from Tesla before he runs it into the ground but I doubt he will.
Oh well gee I stand corrected. You’re a paragon of climate conscientiousness. I will not take anyone who posts articles from Fox News seriously. Actually in any matter come to think of it.
She just babbles and has no solution to the problem. She’s addicted to the media attention.
As voters we need to push politicians to make changes and in America that is through taxation and not bans.
Biden has pushed stupid legislation that won’t accomplish anything.
You want to reduce ice cars? Increase gasoline taxes and remove subsidies. Gas would double in price with would reduce the miles people drive and the size of their cars.
The problem is it’s a global problem and everyone needs to pitch it.
Because she participated in that protest, she got arrested, a news source wrote about it, and you got to bring up good points about how we need to take more action.
Yeah she babbles speaks about the issues, but since she’s not (yet?) an elected official, what else would you have her do?
Personally I’d like to see her go away. She does nothing to help in my opinion and gives credit it’s a crazy conspiracy. She just comes off as an idiot.
The way you make change is vote for people that want to make real changes. Not stupid crap like carbon credits. People that have real ideas.
You talk to your friends about it. I’ve got several people to switch to teslas and solar power. It requires logic and facts.
Just babbling like an idiot turns people off and they don’t think a thing but made up conspiracy.
Ah yes, the person who has rallied up more people (current and future voters) globally around the climate issue than anyone else as of late has done nothing to help. I think what you mean is that she annoys you.
You’re still advocating individual car ownership as a sustainable future…buses, trams, trolleys, LRT, trains. 6000lbs (2200kilos) just to get a few groceries is over kill.
Maybe you don’t live in America but for the foreseeable future, that is the solution. The first step is a reduction in using fossil fuels. Public transportation would take decades to build out to a useable level in America.
What do you mean you can’t come up with a transportation solution to transport millions of people around at any given moment that’s more convenient than them being able to travel to their destinations on their own without a long schedule?
Not just in Lemmy, but I think there’s an increasing divide between the demographic I’m going to call “has only ever lived in a major city” and “everyone else”, especially online.
A shocking amount of people (to me) have never once in their life lived in an area with less than like 500,000 people. To many of these people, it is incomprehensible to imagine that a lot of people have legitimate needs for cars. They have good intentions, and many of them are otherwise smart people, but they really struggle to imagine how and where many Americans live, and what all goes into things like the transportation of goods and services.
Public transportation is great! But without what would be the largest investment in infrastructure in human history by several magnitudes there’s simply no way to just get rid of 90% of car ownership or whatever.
I would like to see more public options but at this time, that isn’t going to help much. California has been trying to build high speed rail since I was a kid. Still hasn’t done shit.
I think hybrids are the gap technology until we can get electric cars more affordable.
The 1% will always act like it’s everyone else and even if we increased fuel taxes. It won’t phase them.
Did you even read the article? That’s literally what they’re calling for. The removal of subsidies.
As for everyone needing to pitch in, just no. The vast majority of emissions come from sources outside public control. The “everyone needs to pitch in” and “watch your personal carbon footprint” crap is just effective marketing from BP.
Not saying cutting down personal emissions is bad, every little helps…
but it’s not a solution. We need to be holding the big emmiters accountable.
The only realistic way to doing that is through inconvenient protests like blocking roads and making sure we can’t be ignored. How else do you force governments to turn on their benefactors?
It’s been over 50 years now, and we’ve seen very little real movement on this. it’s been mostly token and empty gestures, and pandering. It’s time we stepped up our game.
Addicted to the attention? I know nothing about her except her age and her stance on climate change
She doesn’t go off topic, she doesn’t do talk shows. Maybe she loves the attention deep down, but she stays on mission…She doesn’t abuse the privilege. She’s allowed to enjoy the process, I hope she does.
I challenge you to follow your convictions to that extent
Some people won’t ever hear anything about the issues until they see some weird kid do these stunts or see that someone their age can have a word in the discussion too.
Others are more likely to pay attention to scientists, the type that read more intellectual literature.
And then there’s those who won’t ever change their mind because they’ve been spoonfed corporate propaganda and thanks to religion and just generally being dumbasses, are perfectly primed to be managed in this way.
She’s a hero, she’s the reason why everyone is talking about climate change - even my kids are trying to make better choices and saying they’ve learned about it because of her, they’ve never heard of you.
So what changes did your kids make because of her? I’m curious because most her rants are just we are killing people. What actionable item came from her rants ?
They are vegan, they get involved at their school on environmental improvements, they make sure they don’t waste etc. and they make sure to highlight the plight of the future to others.
I honestly don’t know how you can look at Greta Thunberg and underestimate the impact she’s had on public discourse on climate change.
In before trolls have a go at them for being vegan, this very respected recent meta analysis published in science clearly finds that going vegan is the number one thing you can do to help most climate change factors https://josephpoore.com/Science 360 6392 987 - Accepted Manuscript.pdf
You have never seen any impact because you’re trying to mash your hands over your ears and close your eyes. I literally just told you the an impact she’s had on my family and you still don’t recognise an impact.
Of course, I’m sure anecdotes mean nothing to you, so look further at the awards, media attention, speeches, international demonstrations that started with her. Zero impact? Jesus, we are having this conversation because of her.
Honestly, if you can’t imagine that this particular household name, face of Time magazine and organiser of global protests has had any impact at all, you probably also believe that the moon landing was faked, the election was stolen, the earth is flat, and there’s no helping your unhealthy relationship with bad takes.
Unfortunately, that says more about American discussion - America has moved beyond left Vs right to reality Vs “alternative facts”. For example, climate change denialism, large vaccines cause autism, the election fraud nonsense. Unfortunately, given that opportunistic morons like America’s republican party have politicised and denied climate change, I’m sure they’ll be a segment of the population that will blame anything, including Greta.
So yes, I do agree with you that the large anti science wing of America wouldn’t warm to her, but they never would have.
He mods his own conservative echo chamber at Lemm.ee. He doesn’t get any votes there either. He absolutely doesn’t care that he’s alone, which is a good thing I suppose because he absolutely is alone. His fellow mods call him out all the time.
Work with legislatures or even boycott a business. You push for actual change that is reasonable and meaningful.
Instead of trying to push electric down everyone’s throats, push hybrids. Push plug in hybrids. We have the ability to do that now.
Well, those are two very different things. One is essentially for politicians and basically amounts to “just get Congress to do better” (a whole lot easier said than done) and one is an act that essentially has to be championed by a person or organization and then implemented by a masse of people. Greta has called for boycotts before, so under this definition she’s good under your boat.
I’ve read other comments of yours, and many of them are reasonable (more reasonable than the average user at least) and not worthy of downvotes. But your solutions seem to be missing a few steps between “be where we are now” and “just get everyone to drive a hybrid”.
Meeting with them. Ask them to coffee or lunch. Build some rapport with them and then invite them to meet with like minded citizens.
The issue is everyone knows if we increase gas taxes or remove subsidies. It’ll crush the lower class people. It’s why both parties dance around the issue.
It’s also the only way to get rid of people driving 5 mpg suv. You have to price them out of it.
Good. This girl does more harm to the cause than help. We need less of her and more serious people to change minds.
We need more like her who take the threat as a threat and act like it’s a threat.
Being “serious” or calm about it is not working, and catastrophically so.
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Exactly. They’ve come here to troll and look for a fight. Don’t engage them.
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Your response is a troll response. In no way do you engage in the topic or the argument
While you may think slacktivism is valuable. I don’t.
How the fuck does actually going out to protests and being arrested in the process count as slacktivism? Have you been arrested for what you believe in?
I don’t go out and protest. Not my thing. I have a job.
I write my senators and I donate to politicians who share my values. Anyone who supports fracking. Doesn’t get a dollar for me. Anyone who is anti-abortion. Doesn’t get a dollar from me.
Can you list how the world has changed since her protest? Doesn’t seem overly effective.
not everyone has the privilege of using money to get politicians to do what they want.
Everyone can donate. You just have to prioritize things in your life.
So you’re a slacktivist. Makes sense.
Hey, thanks for letting me know I need to block you and your community.
K, thx, bi!
I’d like to engage in discussion with you, what exactly is slacktivism as you define it?
Update: 5 hours and no response to me but plenty of others in this post. Clearly not discussing in good faith.
And? Where is my point wrong?
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He’s a mod for a conservative community and he’s drinking the Kool aid HARD
Yeah Tesla sure is against electric cars.
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Tesla is a phenomenal car. The best electric on the market.
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Tesla has serious quality control issues. They have serious design issues like being deliberately obtuse in the name of “innovation”. They haven’t made any significant improvements to any of their cars since the launch.
Most importantly, they have serious leadership issues. Particularly, a long history of deception and broken promises.
Musk was in the right place at the right time to launch Tesla. He’s got a pretty good corner on the battery market, and hopefully he doesn’t abuse that.
Electric cars don’t help save the planet, they help save the car industry.
Walkable / bikeable cities, and better public transit are better.
Well first your insinuation you’re part of the cause. We’ll start there.
I’m part of the cause by driving electric and running solar? Please elaborate.
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I vote for my own interest but thanks for the advice.
Neither party has a viable solution for climate change. I think the democrats is worse than the republicans.
Also you don’t understand wealth. If Elon converted his wealth to cash, he’d no longer be at Tesla, space x, boring, etc. that wealth is the value of those companies.
Personally I’d like to see him take a step back from Tesla before he runs it into the ground but I doubt he will.
You think the Republicans (drill baby, drill) have a better answer than Democrats (subsidize Green energy)…
Oh well gee I stand corrected. You’re a paragon of climate conscientiousness. I will not take anyone who posts articles from Fox News seriously. Actually in any matter come to think of it.
She just babbles and has no solution to the problem. She’s addicted to the media attention.
As voters we need to push politicians to make changes and in America that is through taxation and not bans.
Biden has pushed stupid legislation that won’t accomplish anything.
You want to reduce ice cars? Increase gasoline taxes and remove subsidies. Gas would double in price with would reduce the miles people drive and the size of their cars.
The problem is it’s a global problem and everyone needs to pitch it.
Hmm… seems like you should thank her.
Because she participated in that protest, she got arrested, a news source wrote about it, and you got to bring up good points about how we need to take more action.
Yeah she
babblesspeaks about the issues, but since she’s not (yet?) an elected official, what else would you have her do?Personally I’d like to see her go away. She does nothing to help in my opinion and gives credit it’s a crazy conspiracy. She just comes off as an idiot.
The way you make change is vote for people that want to make real changes. Not stupid crap like carbon credits. People that have real ideas.
You talk to your friends about it. I’ve got several people to switch to teslas and solar power. It requires logic and facts.
Just babbling like an idiot turns people off and they don’t think a thing but made up conspiracy.
Ah yes, the person who has rallied up more people (current and future voters) globally around the climate issue than anyone else as of late has done nothing to help. I think what you mean is that she annoys you.
Never argue with an idiot. They’ll bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.
She damages the vision.
I don’t know anyone she’s rallied. She’s universally made fun of this country.
What has changed since she’s been ranting? Nothing. She wants the focus on her and not the issue
Ah, Neuromancer doesn’t know anyone she’s rallied. My bad, case closed then! lmao
She literally formed the largest climate protest movement in the world, while you sit here and spread dumbass conspiracy bullshit about her.
I never said anything about a conspiracy. I said she an idiot who really isn’t helping.
You’re still advocating individual car ownership as a sustainable future…buses, trams, trolleys, LRT, trains. 6000lbs (2200kilos) just to get a few groceries is over kill.
Maybe you don’t live in America but for the foreseeable future, that is the solution. The first step is a reduction in using fossil fuels. Public transportation would take decades to build out to a useable level in America.
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What do you mean you can’t come up with a transportation solution to transport millions of people around at any given moment that’s more convenient than them being able to travel to their destinations on their own without a long schedule?
In case I need it, /s.
Not just in Lemmy, but I think there’s an increasing divide between the demographic I’m going to call “has only ever lived in a major city” and “everyone else”, especially online.
A shocking amount of people (to me) have never once in their life lived in an area with less than like 500,000 people. To many of these people, it is incomprehensible to imagine that a lot of people have legitimate needs for cars. They have good intentions, and many of them are otherwise smart people, but they really struggle to imagine how and where many Americans live, and what all goes into things like the transportation of goods and services.
Public transportation is great! But without what would be the largest investment in infrastructure in human history by several magnitudes there’s simply no way to just get rid of 90% of car ownership or whatever.
“It can’t be done instantly overnight so why even bother trying to do it slowly?”
🙄
Why do people such as yourself read such a long comment, only to try to squeeze something out to disagree with?
I never said that. I never said anything of the sort. What drives you to do such a thing?
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Chicago was pretty good. I could do most things using the L. I don’t do buses. Not my type of crowd
I would like to see more public options but at this time, that isn’t going to help much. California has been trying to build high speed rail since I was a kid. Still hasn’t done shit. I think hybrids are the gap technology until we can get electric cars more affordable. The 1% will always act like it’s everyone else and even if we increased fuel taxes. It won’t phase them.
Did you even read the article? That’s literally what they’re calling for. The removal of subsidies.
As for everyone needing to pitch in, just no. The vast majority of emissions come from sources outside public control. The “everyone needs to pitch in” and “watch your personal carbon footprint” crap is just effective marketing from BP.
Not saying cutting down personal emissions is bad, every little helps…
but it’s not a solution. We need to be holding the big emmiters accountable.
The only realistic way to doing that is through inconvenient protests like blocking roads and making sure we can’t be ignored. How else do you force governments to turn on their benefactors?
It’s been over 50 years now, and we’ve seen very little real movement on this. it’s been mostly token and empty gestures, and pandering. It’s time we stepped up our game.
Soooo she’s got the right idea imo
Addicted to the attention? I know nothing about her except her age and her stance on climate change
She doesn’t go off topic, she doesn’t do talk shows. Maybe she loves the attention deep down, but she stays on mission…She doesn’t abuse the privilege. She’s allowed to enjoy the process, I hope she does.
I challenge you to follow your convictions to that extent
Like when she threw the fit that the train didn’t give her first class. Yep, doesn’t abuse her privilege at all.
What is the most downvoted comment on lemmy? Would you like a sense of pride and accomplishment?
You need both.
Some people won’t ever hear anything about the issues until they see some weird kid do these stunts or see that someone their age can have a word in the discussion too.
Others are more likely to pay attention to scientists, the type that read more intellectual literature.
And then there’s those who won’t ever change their mind because they’ve been spoonfed corporate propaganda and thanks to religion and just generally being dumbasses, are perfectly primed to be managed in this way.
have a bad day bro
She’s a hero, she’s the reason why everyone is talking about climate change - even my kids are trying to make better choices and saying they’ve learned about it because of her, they’ve never heard of you.
Yeah people here make fun of her.
So what changes did your kids make because of her? I’m curious because most her rants are just we are killing people. What actionable item came from her rants ?
They are vegan, they get involved at their school on environmental improvements, they make sure they don’t waste etc. and they make sure to highlight the plight of the future to others.
I honestly don’t know how you can look at Greta Thunberg and underestimate the impact she’s had on public discourse on climate change.
In before trolls have a go at them for being vegan, this very respected recent meta analysis published in science clearly finds that going vegan is the number one thing you can do to help most climate change factors https://josephpoore.com/Science 360 6392 987 - Accepted Manuscript.pdf
Personally I’ll never go vegan. To each his own.
I have seen zero impact due to her work. Zero.
All I see if both sides making fun of her rants.
She is the reason my kid stopped participating in climate events. She didn’t want to be associated with her.
You have never seen any impact because you’re trying to mash your hands over your ears and close your eyes. I literally just told you the an impact she’s had on my family and you still don’t recognise an impact.
Of course, I’m sure anecdotes mean nothing to you, so look further at the awards, media attention, speeches, international demonstrations that started with her. Zero impact? Jesus, we are having this conversation because of her.
Honestly, if you can’t imagine that this particular household name, face of Time magazine and organiser of global protests has had any impact at all, you probably also believe that the moon landing was faked, the election was stolen, the earth is flat, and there’s no helping your unhealthy relationship with bad takes.
Yes, how damaging she is to the cause. Due to her it’s been hard to get any politician to listen because of her nutty behavior.
While it seems to have swayed you, she has t swayed American discussion on the topic.
Unfortunately, that says more about American discussion - America has moved beyond left Vs right to reality Vs “alternative facts”. For example, climate change denialism, large vaccines cause autism, the election fraud nonsense. Unfortunately, given that opportunistic morons like America’s republican party have politicised and denied climate change, I’m sure they’ll be a segment of the population that will blame anything, including Greta.
So yes, I do agree with you that the large anti science wing of America wouldn’t warm to her, but they never would have.
I never said such a thing. Nice straw man.
People here are making fun of you, but you’re not letting that stop you, so you have that in common.
You are a bad person.
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Luckily you seem to be alone at least in our sweet Lemmy bubble here
He mods his own conservative echo chamber at Lemm.ee. He doesn’t get any votes there either. He absolutely doesn’t care that he’s alone, which is a good thing I suppose because he absolutely is alone. His fellow mods call him out all the time.
Genuinely curious: what does a “serious person” do to change minds here?
Work with legislatures or even boycott a business. You push for actual change that is reasonable and meaningful. Instead of trying to push electric down everyone’s throats, push hybrids. Push plug in hybrids. We have the ability to do that now.
Well, those are two very different things. One is essentially for politicians and basically amounts to “just get Congress to do better” (a whole lot easier said than done) and one is an act that essentially has to be championed by a person or organization and then implemented by a masse of people. Greta has called for boycotts before, so under this definition she’s good under your boat.
I’ve read other comments of yours, and many of them are reasonable (more reasonable than the average user at least) and not worthy of downvotes. But your solutions seem to be missing a few steps between “be where we are now” and “just get everyone to drive a hybrid”.
Greta calling for a boycott, just would make people buy the product.
Bud light recently was boycotted and look how effective that was.
I’m not missing a step, you increase fuel taxes, end subsidies, end fracking and make hybrids tax advantageous.
The market will sort itself out very quickly.
Okay, well you just added several steps right there, and you’re still missing some.
Who increases fuel taxes and subsidies? How do we as a civilization get that done?
Your state senators and state representatives at the local and federal level. Taxes are done by the government. Remove subsidies are the same people.
Okay. How do we influence those state representatives to pass that legislation?
Meeting with them. Ask them to coffee or lunch. Build some rapport with them and then invite them to meet with like minded citizens.
The issue is everyone knows if we increase gas taxes or remove subsidies. It’ll crush the lower class people. It’s why both parties dance around the issue.
It’s also the only way to get rid of people driving 5 mpg suv. You have to price them out of it.
Lmao, “People should boycott businesses, but if this one person does what I just said to do, then it’s actually bad because I say so.”
If/When you snap like Mickey7, I’m going to smoke the biggest blunt in celebration.
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It looks like it may have already started to affect you.
😅
You can’t write unpopular opinions here…
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Don’t worry, I reported your comment. Now we just have to wait for the mods to get off their asses.
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Honestly I don’t think I ever even watched the Kilmer or Clooney movies.
Based on the votes it seems like it’s a more popular movie than you gave it credit for.
Kiwi is better than pineapple on pizza
Honestly I’d try that out.
Damn, throw some jalapeños on there and you might have a real winner.
Hot honey and bacon