The majority of pro AI spam on the fediverse gets spread by just a handful of accounts. Usually it is people posting to one of the big “tech” pages from pro-AI PAC websites (that 74million dot org bullshit for example) or one of the billionaire mouthpiece outlets (futurism, ars technica, biz insider), and then they cross-post and repost everywhere else.
This strategy makes it so the only ways to stop seeing the shit is to get really good with personal filters or (more likely) users will block the spammer account and the communities that allow them. Notice how both of these methods also tend to block people who are bashing AI.
Seems like a behavior we need to figure out how to call out and get mods to help with? I guess Fuck AI people should start volunteering to mod Tech news? Oh no, what have I logically walked myself into…
I’m not following how blocking this handful of users involves “getting really good with personal filters”. In jerboa it’s like three taps to block someone, and the last time I used voyager or lemmy through a desktop browser it was similarly easy. And how does blocking people uncritically posting that content risk blocking people bashing AI?
This just seems like a repeat of the witch hunt post about the db0 instance a few days ago. I can only speak for myself, but the last thing I want is for this to become some sort of community where we organize against specific users or communities. Fighting amongst ourselves in this little slice of internet social media will have no effect on the actual companies and market forces pushing this slop.
A big part of what makes lemmy what it is is that people aren’t doing that sort of witch hunt shit here. If you want to curate other communities, then make your own copy and enforce your rules on it, or work your way into their mod team.
Most of all, you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make them drink. And holding their head under just gets you a drowned horse. Speak out as you can and curate your own experience.
sorry! the way you misunderstood my rough mechanics description there, yeah, that would be kinda of ridiculous
i was trying to describe two discreet methods i feel are imperfect, 1) blocking users and communities OR 2) get really good with content filters (far harder/ less viable at scale/ horse to water situation)
it’s like three taps to block someone,
Three taps for you, for me, for them, for everyone.
When problems affect many people, it’s neat to solve them en masse.
Could I see the data your claims are based on?
oh boy here i go getting baited by some uninterested internet prick who has no useful input
So, you
- have an at time of writing 19 day old account,
- make bold claims
- react with hostility when asked to justify said claims.
That’s not the behavior I’d expect from a rational adult.
We’re asking for proof and citations, a thing to be given when claims are made.
i’ll be more clear, people who are not yet arrived at my premise on their own are not my audience with this post
It’s the internet, not your front door. We’re not attacking you, we want proof to aid in combating this.
I’m less concerned about AI stories being posted from legitimate news organizations than I am the proliferation of AI porn communities on Lemmy.
There’s ONE GUY creating and modding 19 different AI porn communities.
No big deal, just block those comms.
sure if they were legitimate news orgs
the problem you describe definitely worries me too but again does that just mean Fuck AI people need to be modding?
It’s nice not being federated with any of that shit.
Report AI posts. If the admins don’t see it as a problem they wont.
I’ve been blocking pure Ai communities and blocking individuals that out themselves as Ai apologists.
Best I can think is make rules that Ai is only allowed into Ai communities.
I would use broader filers but “Ai” sucks to filers because it’s only 2 digits. “LLM” can be filtered but am so sick of seeing Ai slop.
What did Ars Technica do, though?
There’s an ‘A’ and an ‘I’ in their name!!!
PieFed has an issue open for that: https://codeberg.org/rimu/pyfedi/issues/950
It’s hard, though. Ideas (which work in real life) welcome.
It seems like you’re exploring how AI spam spreads and how people handle it online. Your observation about AI content being spread through personal accounts and broader communities is an important consideration for ethical AI development.
…jk lmao that was AI-gen. I think blocking accounts is good enough? At least that’s what I tend to do. Although it’d be helpful to have some sort of community-driven list of accounts that you could automatically import and block. Actually it would be helpful with more than AI spammers: we could have a list of trolls, lgtbq+phobes, etc. That way one could easily find and block whatever they don’t like, without getting the mods or admins involved (although that’d still be necessary for obvious rule violations, of course).
I don’t understand why you say that’s prone to blocking people who are bashing AI though… like, if they spam AI content I imagine they tend to praise AI as well? Idk, maybe I didn’t understand you.
you say that’s prone to blocking people who are bashing AI though… if they spam AI content I imagine they tend to praise AI as well? Idk, maybe I didn’t understand you.
Exactly this. For example, CMU is currently under the extreme corrupting influence of Palantir. However when CMU pushes AI propaganda, the various outlets adjust their headlines to frame it for clicks, whether that be “AI is WRONG 60% of the time! That’s why we need to use it anyway.” or “AI is RIGHT 40% of the time! Does that mean it has a soul???”
These shitty articles then end up everywhere and CMU gets to spread their propaganda to people who have whatever range of opinions.
Well yeah the funniest thing is that in this community there are those who think that AI is just a tool and not a problem, and one of them openly argued with the moderator and was kicked out of this community, by the way, this happened recently lol. :3
2nd time on this thread you’ve insinuated someone will mess with me if i don’t be quiet :3
Well, I don’t know, I’m just hinting at a possible future. Corporations lately think they can do anything, so i wouldn’t be surprised if the worst happens.
Please explain in moderator bannable detail what you think is going to happen to me
Okay, it seems you didn’t get it, a real human moderator won’t do anything to you unless you do crazy things or talk about forbidden topics.
I just expressed my opinion, you can ignore me if that’s convenient for you.
Well, yes, but to successfully resist AI, you need to be as quiet as a mouse, especially in the future, otherwise the AI agents will quickly discover our refuge of meaning, and everything will be lost. But at the same time, do not forget and do not give in to beautiful lies.
I hope this will be clear. Open and brazen confrontation on enemy territory is madness don’t you think so?
Fuck that. Be loud. As much as they want to convince you you have no power and they’ve already won, in fact, power remains, and always has been, with the people. We are the people. Be loud, be obnoxious. Use your power.
As i usually do, by the way, here’s a joke: if the people start a dangerous rebellion because of the collapse, the elites will quietly flee to their underground cities where they will sit it out quietly and return to subjugate the survivors after the massacre.
That is a joke alright. They won’t last long without the entire system of civilization and human labor they rely on. They love the myth that they can reliably automate those systems. They can’t, and they doubly can’t against an adversary who intends on breaking those systems and then waiting for them at the exit of their underground bunker. Humans are endurance hunters. When its hunter vs hunter, all the money and preparation in the world (which they might literally have) isn’t going to do a goddamn thing to save them from sheer numbers and determination. Together, we are too strong. This is why they try to divide us. But nothing unites us like a common enemy.
It will be funny if they come back and can only rule over ashes. But you know, even though they are crazy, they can still think strategically somehow, so you need to be on guard, who knows what they have come up with, maybe World War III.
By the way, i have suspicions that the Americans are in collusion with the Russians and that there are also their underground cities in Russia.
It will be funny if they come back and can only rule over ashes.
No, that won’t really be funny, but it’s also not going to happen like that. You seem really obsessed with this narrative of how powerful these people are. You need to get over that. They only have the power we give them. Stop giving them so much power. You give it to them with your words about them. They are not gods among men. They are just people with a lot of money and money is just meaningless paper unless we decide to work for them and bow before them because of it. Stop doing it yourself and stop assuming everyone else is going to keep doing that, and suddenly they don’t seem so powerful anymore. Because they’re not.
Well, of course, i know that they are ( Offensive word someone might get offended ) just like us, but here’s the problem: if one government is overthrown, another one will come in its place, the same or worse, maybe at first everything will be fine, but then it will happen again, because their children will not know the value of the lives of ordinary people, because they lived in luxury. In the end, all we can do is constantly fight for our freedom. But I also understand your point of view. And yes you are right. :3
No. AI agents are not real.
Well, I wouldn’t count on it, AI agents could very well be real or appear over time.
There are not and will not ever be “AI Agents” based on LLM technology. They might make a shitty tool and call it “AI Agents” but it is not going to be this magic entity you are envisioning. I hope this is good news for you.
You know, the rapid development of AI previously seemed impossible, and what do we have now? More precisely, AI agents are almost like real users, they will have accounts, they will even be able to chat like real people and complain like real people until they are recognized, but then their recognition will become almost impossible, which will make it difficult to trust new users here.
So, bots with a fancy name?
Yes, but their nicknames and even avatars will imitate those who are in this community, and I have no idea how to deal with this. You may think that I am paranoid, that is your right.
That is what bots have been doing for decades.
Nah, text extruders didn’t seem impossible and their development has not been impressive considering the amount of hype and investment. They haven’t become significantly more capable or suited to tasks, and the primary viable usecases for LLM are still tied to transcription, translation, and captioning.
Okay, I see your point, it’s quite logical.
But still, you should be on guard to avoid getting into trouble or being ridiculed later. I personally don’t care, I think it’s obvious from my profile.
