no matter what you think of (maybe illegal) immigrants, tying up minors is totally stupid. typically american, i would even say!
The cruelty is the point, as per standard procedure.
Tying up minors in itself may or may not be unreasonable. Zip ties are a common field hand cuff. That being said, if anyone hasn’t shown a need to be restrained (ie. Violent), they should not be restrained
I don’t think anybody is debating the use of zip ties vs cuffs here dude
And yes tying up minors because they are in the country illegally - likely brought in by their parents - is completely unreasonable.
You cannot let this be normal to you. You should look at this picture, learn the context, and be disgusted. Not hem and haw about it
Oh yeah, you think that 9 year old may have been a threat?
I never said that. I said you shouldn’t rule it out, but generally you shouldn’t restrain people - regardless of age
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i agree fully
This is America now.
I’m ashamed of my country.
This has always been America. We are just seeing pictures this time.
The pretense has fallen
If people wondered what they would do during the 1930s, now we know.
A lot of people would cheer for the Nazis.
I know I’m not doing enough, and it’s depressing as heck. Most people I know are doing less. No protests. Not talking about it. Just head in the sand.
It’s still early. The Nazis took over in 1933, but their first euthanasia program didn’t start until 1936. The Holocaust didn’t really start in earnest until about 1939.
We can’t let it get that far, of course, but the point is that it will take some time to get bad enough for people to start really fighting back. I suspect that protests will get really ugly and violent next summer, in the closing stretch before the 2026 Midterm Election.
There are a lot of different ways to resist. I’m throwing my money and some volunteer effort at lawsuits to gum up the works, add friction to a bunch of the Trump administration’s decisions, and make them expend a ton of resources even to accomplish the things within their power (or that are inevitable).
I know people who are feeding bad data into the surveillance state, clogging immigration and DEI tip lines with plausible but ultimately incorrect leads that waste their time.
There’s a pretty serious boycott movement and it is making a difference to some businesses’ bottom lines.
There’s a bunch of other ways to contribute:
- Stirring the pot and feeding internal faction rivalries, like DOGE vs populist MAGA vs business interests. Elon Musk has lost a few prominent internal fights (China briefing at the Pentagon, hand picked IRS chief fired less than a week in, his NASA pick being withdrawn). These guys think chaos is a ladder, but chaos can swallow them up, too.
- Disruption with plausible deniability: blocking doors and driveways that look unintentional, jury nullification, firing Trumpers for pretextual reasons, wasting Trump supporting businesses’ time and money, pranks that cause Trumpers to gather in the wrong place, etc.
- Further escalation as situations warrant.
If things escalate to where property destruction, outright fraud or scams or other white collar crime, or violence is justified, it won’t be sudden. It will be a gradual build up, with legal resistance giving way to nonviolent disruption to property destruction and theft to violent resistance. But I think it’s worth exhausting the less disruptive options first, and be satisfied that escalation is justified at each step where that actually happens.
I like the way you think.
I particularly think sabotage and malicious compliance strategies can be very effective at weaponizing their virtuosic incompetence against them.
Further escalation as situations warrant.
this.
I think some of these protests so far are controlled opposition to prevent real progressive movement in preference for same old bs from DNC. We need to weed out the fakes
What makes you think that that sentiment itself isn’t fostered by controlled opposition? Don’t get me wrong, as an anarchist I have no love for Democrats or republicans. But unfortunately with our electoral system the way it is. Realistically we have to be bedfellows with one or the other at some level of government.
At least of course until all national parties are abolished, and the electoral system reformed. Trying to push change from the top down has backfired every single time. The unions thought it would be good to give Carter a lesson. And instead Carter lost and they ended up becoming irrelevant. There’s plenty of parallels between that and the recent presidential election. Honestly I don’t think the Office of the President shouldn’t even exist. It’s too much power just begging to be abused as it currently is.
That will only change however by building up local parties and making National parties irrelevant, or at least serving the interest of the accountable local parties. Till then we can gnash and wail, grinding our teeth at every shitty candidate the National Party puts forward. But as long as they are in control and full of shitty candidate fodder. That’s never going to change. But us focusing on that over everything else certainly enables the worst actors in society.
You’re right, but your not alone. There are thousands of us around the US protesting, boycotting, going to town halls, and getting involved in the government (https://www.fiftyfifty.one/). It’s just hard to see since media corporations want to keep the status quo. It’s not going to be easy to change our political system, but it’s been done before. Just read our Declaration of Independence. We have to keep fighting or no on else will.
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Here’s part of the second paragraph of the declaration
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
I’ve got to a couple protests but they feel like they’re just for show. They’re not disruptive. They’re not making clear, actionable, demands. They’re better than nothing. i saw people handling out flyers so maybe some people went to more meetings.
But I feel like there needs to be more specific stuff. Like, a demand that musk be removed from government, or trump be removed via the 14th amendment, or whatever, and that needs to be backed by “if you don’t listen to us, then you don’t get any more labor”. (Violence, I’m told, is less effective, but can also be there in the subtext)
But actually organizing large things is hard, especially when the state and the money are opposing you.
I can’t even get my friends to suffer the mild inconvenience of getting off facebook, nevermind getting off the couch.
I agree with you. More needs to be done. If I had a higher income and sustainability, I’d be getting ready to be one of the candidates for the next local election, but for now, I’m just doing what I believe is right, so I have no regrets. Change will happen. Whether or not I’ll see it in my lifetime, I don’t know. All I’ll know is that I did everything I could to start that change and pass it on. They may have the finances, but they can’t overturn the masses when we all unite.
I thought the 50501 was to build up numbers and momentum for organization, but honestly don’t think they’re gonna do anymore than monthly protests.
I feel like this ‘movement’ is a pressure valve to let off steam and stop any actual rising up.
Protesting, boycotting, and townhalls were acceptable methods before he got power. Now praxis is needed.
It’s whatever you want it to be. For me, this is just the beginning. Brainstorming and seeing what works and what doesn’t. Change has happened before and it can happen again. It’s not going to be easy, but it’s gotta start somewhere.
That sundress and hair bow are a clear sign of possible violence. I’m pretty sure that pink butterflies are some sort of gang sign. I’m so glad those officers are now safe from that threat. Bless. 🙏
Sundress is where they hide their handguns though
MAYBE those CHILDREN shouldn’t be CRIMINALS!
-People who Voted ENTHUSIASTICALLY for the Convicted Felon!
Imagine being a shitty heartless fucking Republican.
Nazis doing Nazi things.
but if I were to cut them loose, I would be the criminal?
If you were to shoot the fascists next to them in the head, I would consider you to be the hero.
Hell, I’ll chip in for bail
Friend, if you shoot a cop you do not survive to receive bail
America needs to change their anthem.
Team America has some bangers they could use. And most would not even get the satire
Born in the USA.
“Hans, are we the bad guys?”
Nazi fucks.
Keep it classy America
All immigration officers that follow orders are like Nazi SS, a human would refuse to carry these ideals through
The Nazis were very much humans. We need to stop “othering” evil. The Nazis weren’t some grand anomaly of people and Fascism works by prying on the same vulnerabilities that are present in all humans when it gets enabled through capitalist policies
Es waren nicht Hitler, Göring, Goebbels, Himmler oder wie die anderen heißen, die mich wegschleppen und prügeln ließen. Nein, es war der Schuster, der Nachbar, der Alte, der Milchmann, der Postbote, die Formlosen bekamen plötzlich Armbinden und eine Mütze auf dem Kopf und dann waren sie die Herrenrasse.
-Karel Stojka, Ausschwitz survivor
“It wasn’t Hitler, Göring, Goebbels, Himmler or whatever the others were called who had me dragged away and beaten. No, it was the cobbler, the neighbor, the old man, the milkman, the letter carrier, the shapeless suddenly got armbands and a cap on their heads and then they were the master race.”
I recognize biology, but if you choose to follow nonsense and have no critical thinking, you are a rascist Nazi.
I think the point is: anyone can end up acting out a facist fantacy, even you, if you’re not careful. The quality of ‘evil’ is surprisingly all-too-human… If you’re interested, the film “Jojo Rabbit” explores the idea a bit. Worth a watch!
Nope, would not happen here, even as a kid I defied stuff that didn’t not make sense, logically, or for community or humanistic views. Like Israelis supporting palestinian kids getting shot in the head daily, you have to be a moron to think murdering children is good retaliation for Hama’s attacks.
And they’re still 100% human. You’re introducing unecessary complexity into the discussion.
Evil is human. Humans are sometimes evil.
I disagree with evil being human, that is learned. And even in indoctrination cults etc you always have people who leave because they know it isn’t right.
Humans aren’t inherently good or evil but most of what can be considered good or evil comes from humans. Nature or nurture doesn’t really matter because it’s still humans, either how some of us would be on our own or how we are as a reaction to others.
Evolution ingrains community for survival, while war to protect the tribe may also be instinct, however we have grown past war mentally, or at least many have whom realize it is stupid. I don’t discount some are susceptible to brainwashing, I see it in an ex friend, but its not just hate/racism/homophobia critical thinking issue, I also saw it in their day to day reasoning skills where they make leaps in logic, that others would prove out.
Sometimes evil is just negligence.
The Americans don’t consider them children, to them they are “subhumans”
Not here. Please… Not anywhere, but please not here… This is the most disappointed I’ve ever been of my hometown.
Don’t feel too bad, we’re all disappointed in your hometown.
Ouch.
Don’t feel too bad, we’re all pretty much disappointed with the entire country.
Native here as well, and also disappointed. We can’t throw all ~1.5M San Antonio residents under the bus, though. All I can say is that my local precinct did its part to not elect the current POTUS.
Good. God knows what they capable of hands-free. Assault rifles are nothing in these demigods.
Thank fuck those brave officers prevented that girl from braiding her hair!
Demigods?
