• ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    Lots of cultures eat horse. I have a Japanese friend whose favorite decadent meal is raw horse meat.

    I think eating any meat is fucked up if you’re in a developed nation where it is simple to get adequate protein and calories without animal sources

    I also think if you’re going to do it it’s weird to make a distinction between animals that are simply domesticated (like dogs and cats) versus animals that are quite intelligent (like pigs, who are objectively more intelligent than dogs)

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      Dogs and cats are carnivores. We don’t eat carnivores in general, regardless of domestication.

      The only odd one out are horeses, who we don’t eat in spite of them not being carnivores.

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        Dogs and cats are carnivores. We don’t eat carnivores in general, regardless of domestication.

        The problem with eating carnivores (and to some extent, omnivores) lies in the diseases they can carry (pork for instance has to be inspected for trichinosis), and accumulation of environmental toxins in their meat due to their position at the top of the food chain. Also, they tend to be more expensive to raise due to their food requirements.

        The further up in the food chain an animal resides, the more scrutiny its meat needs in order to be safe to eat. For carnivores, that’s usually not worth the effort, as there isn’t all that much meat in a domestic cat or dog.

        The only odd one out are horses, who we don’t eat in spite of them not being carnivores.

        That’s really very much a cultural thing. In many cultures, horse meat used to be poor man’s meat, because you need to get rid of old horses unfit for work in one way or another and not eating the meat would be a waste, but meat of old animals usually isn’t necessarily of the best quality, so it was sold for relatively cheap. Over time, with declining reliance on horses as work animals, the availability of horse meat has declined and it turned into somewhat of a rare delicacy. Especially since the growing leisure horse industry doesn’t contribute a whole lot of horse meat fit for human consumption due to the medications used on leisure horses accumulating in the meat and not being exactly healthy for people.

        If you remember the European horse meat scandal (a discount supermarket chain had been selling “beef” lasagna that contained horse meat instead of beef, the problem there wasn’t that the product was in any way unhealthy or dangerous, it was quality horse meat mislabeled as beef. It really was just a matter of deliberate mislabeling.

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        Horses are animals for doing work, not eating. You wouldn’t slaughter a trained ox either.

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          You would. Once the ox got too old to do useful work. (or injured) That’s what happened to old work horses, too. As well as to old milk cows. Of course meat from old animals tends to be of lower quality, so this tended to be sold off relatively cheap and often provided the only affordable meat for poor people.

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            Yeah, but that ain’t no staple. That’s something special you get every few years. You don’t have many oxens

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          Zebra is the solution.

          Zebra are assholes. They can’t be trained or domesticated. Their meat is delicious, and I delight in eating it. I get why lions love them.

          But I would sooner spend $20K at the vet on a horse than eat one.

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        Plenty of cultures eat dogs and cats, notably some South East Asians one’s and some people in Switzerland.

        It’s more limited though. For example, in Switzerland you may not sell dog/cat meat (or meals made with them). Consumption is limited to animals you owned and slaughtered.

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        People eat alligator, crocodile, shark, bear, and snake, all of which are or can be carnivorous

        Again, you just make a weird distinction. This isn’t even an “American culture vs Asian culture” thing. Gator and crocodile are pretty big in the southeast.

        But whatever you need to justify killing a pig that has a deeper capacity for emotional intelligence than your dog does as well as stronger ability for numerical reasoning skills and independent thought

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          whatever you need to justify killing a pig

          I don’t need any justification for that lol. I wouldn’t care if people ate dogs either.

          I was just pointing out a traditional norm that people usually don’t eat carnivores (because they are more prone to disease and are much less efficient to farm).

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          Wild boar are invasive, violent and destructive. Our local conservation groups practically beg you to hunt them, and boar season is 51 weeks a year. If you’re going to hunt pig, you might as well eat it. But farm raised pigs definitely taste better.

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          People in places where there’s a lot of crocs around generally don’t like to eat them because there’s a non-zero chance that you’re eating a croc that ate someone you know. Farmed Crocs are the workaround, but especially across rural southern Africa, there’s as much stigma with croc meat as Americans with horse.

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            So what you’re saying is cows, pigs, and chickens just gotta start eating people to save themselves

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              If you don’t eat cows first, a cow will kill and eat you and everyone you love.

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              Pigs won’t have the slightest problem with doing so. For feeding someone to chickens, some preparation might be needed due to the chickens’ small size.

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          Preach. The amount of mental gymnastics displayed by omnis and carnies should make it an Olympic sport. Cognitive dissonance at its finest

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      Zebra is delicious and is absolutely the counterfactual to show that horses would be a well.

      But Zebras as dicks, so eat them first.

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    This reminds me of Joan Cornella. Is there a community for stuff like this?

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      Maybe on Reddit. If there’s one here I’d guess it gets one post a month or less. But don’t go to Reddit.