• Natha@discuss.online
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    1 year ago

    It makes no sense to ban the consumption of dogs simply because you are afraid of dog thieves. Do you ban driving a car because some people steal a car?

    Nothing in this world is completely beneficial, but you can’t ban everything.

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      1 year ago

      Stealing a car takes way more effort than kidnapping a pet. I’d also bet that people have way more personal attachment to pets than cars because pets are beings with emotions and cars are not.

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        1 year ago

        What about windows? Should we ban that as they are easy for thieves to break?

        Whether you have more personal attachment to a car, a pet or anything else is a completely personal thing, everyone should have their choice.

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          Almost nobody is attached to their windows. Most people treat pets as family members.

          If people stealing pets to consume them is a huge problem, then it makes sense to ban the consumption of pets because the benefits of the law outweigh the drawbacks on a society. People who eat dogs ““ethically”” can easily move on to other animals, and the people who continue to consume stolen pets can be punished more harshly, causing fewer people to steal pets. That law would be a net win because the good it does for pet owners vastly outweighs the bad it does for dog consumers.

          • Natha@discuss.online
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            1 year ago

            Why don’t you rob the richest people and share the money with the poorest? Or just ignore the interests of the minorities? Apparently, the good outweighs the bad based on your calculation.

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              Why don’t you rob the richest people and share the money with the poorest?

              We should. The opposite literally happens on a daily basis.

              Or just ignore the interests of the minorities?

              The US used to do that. It didn’t end well for anybody on multiple occasions. There’s a reason why US politics is so focused on civil rights, because the good outweighs the bad on a societal level.

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                We should. The opposite literally happens on a daily basis.

                99% percent of people can be much richer if we share the 0.1% richest people. This never happened. Besides, do you believe Robin Hood is allowed by law in modern society?

                The US used to do that. It didn’t end well for anybody on multiple occasions. There’s a reason why US politics is so focused on civil rights, because the good outweighs the bad on a societal level.

                Do you think what China does to Uyghurs, and what Russia does to LGBT is justified? Apparently, they believe the good outweighs the bad, only at the cost of a few people.

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      1 year ago

      No, but I did actually see a used bike store get shut down because too many stolen bikes were finding their way there. Sometimes to end a practice you have to go downstream and destroy the market for that thing. There’s no market for vehicular deaths - they just happen.

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        1 year ago

        But it still makes no sense to ban it nationwide or worldwide, or to forbid it by law.

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      If you banned driving cars, there just wouldn’t be any cars around. That analogy has little to do with dogs. What is it about a ban that makes no sense to you?

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        You can replace cars with anything else and it still makes no sense. It’s no one else but the thieves who should take the consequences.

        • whenigrowup356@lemmy.world
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          We ban things we want less of. More eating dogs means a bigger market for all dog meat, which means a bigger market for theft. I want less of that.

          People don’t steal things that no one wants to buy.

          I’m talking about the side effects of fostering a culture where eating a non-livestock animal is ok. My argument is that this kind of culture is pointlessly cruel to an animal that we’ve explicitly bred to be a companion.

          One element of discouraging a culture is government action, a ban (coercion). I argue this is a necessary step in ending a cruel practice.

          The other is cultural compliance (people behaving in a certain way regardless of the presence of law enforcement officials). I argue this is a necessary step as well, by way of education and improving access to alternatives.

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      The analogy would not be to ban driving cars, but ban the resale of cars. The incentive for theft is the value; if you remove the value, then there is less incentive to steal it.

      So to answer this hypothetical question, should we ban the resale of cars? No, because the owner can be insured for the monetary value of their stolen vehicle. What is the monetary value of a pet? I don’t believe this can be quantified.