Why do you think the fascists try so hard to keep them divided and fighting each other?
Why do you believe fascists are the only parties working to, and actively benefiting from, division in human populations?
Because the companies and ultra rich contribute financially to fascists to take away our rights, and drive wedges between people. What are you talking about if not oligarchy and fascism? Like, some kind of softball league?
Because the companies and ultra rich contribute financially to fascists to take away our rights, and drive wedges between people. What are you talking about if not oligarchy and fascism? Like, some kind of softball league?
I am talking about all minority groups without basic human rights working together to achieve rights for all of them as a singular unit. Which I made very clear in the OP.
If you want to start a fight with someone, go elsewhere.
That’s what intersectionality is about, and why fascists focus on driving wedges between groups
Not everything is about fascists.
You’re right, it’s also about the capitalists who put them in power.
Capitalists don’t really benefit under Fascism, so I don’t see why a true Capitalist would support a fascist and help them gain power.
Not only do capitalists benefit from fascism, as history has consistently shown, but fascism is the end result of capitalism.
Capitalism is an Economic structure, Fascism is a Political ideology. Fascism does not benefit a Capitalist because it imposes heavy regulation on the free market to benefit themselves which is anti Capitalist.
Who on earth told you the free market had anything to do with capitalism? LOL.
Thank you for demonstrating your lack of good faith early.
Historically, you’re completely wrong.
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Hitler came to power with the support of capitalists (here meaning “people who own substantial capital” rather than “ideological supporters of capitalism”). They saw him as a way to maintain order against socialism and to break the power of unions. A similar story happened in Italy, and in other fascist countries.
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Many capitalists did in fact benefit from fascism. There’s some confusion about fascist economic policies, but you should know that the term “privatization” was first coined to describe the economic policy of Nazi Germany. When they nationalized companies, it was because they were minority owned, and often they were redistributed upwards to the capitalists.
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Labor rights suffered tremendously under fascism, with labor organizations exterminated, allowing capitalists to impose much worse conditions, lower pay, and longer hours on the workers, as well as using prisoners for slave labor. Any attempt to challenge these conditions would be considered treasonous, undermining the war effort.
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Even when their countries were defeated militarily, many capitalists got off scot-free. For example, the pharmaceutical company Bayer (which merged with Monsanto in 2016) was once a part of IG Farben, which manufactured Zyklon B for the gas chambers. After the war, Bayer rehired Nazis to high level positions, including for example Fritz ter Meer, who had been on IG Farben’s board of directors and became chairman of Bayer, despite being a convicted Nazi war criminal.
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Welcome to the radical left.
Well, unless you’re some kind of Democrat. In which case, get your bougie, genoside lovin’ ass outta here. Only the real leftists will be allowed under the banner.
I see what you did there.
I’m uhh a Democrat in name only. My father was a Democrat and my voter registration says Democrat, but I don’t believe in their neoliberal values
How do you define a “real leftist”?
Good question!
What are you talking about?
Yeah, the way we can show all minorities that we’re in this together, that we’ll stand by each other even when it’s unpopular and inconvenient, to stop the state from splitting off groups and trampling them underfoot… is to split off Palestinians and support candidates who want to trample them underfoot because standing up for them is too inconvenient.
I find it to be a more centrist position considering the amount of purity testing required to pass on either side of the political spectrum in the modern age.
The oppressive class usually isn’t a majority (capital owners/rich, religious fanatics, morning people), but they dictate so much more of our lives, what to feel, who to hate - so much so that they make the majority work for them against the minorities (that don’t affect the lives of the majority in the slightest - but that’s just how the oppressors retain control & power).
This doesn’t really change, or add, to my point does it?
Change no, but it was my humble intention to add a little bit.
Understanding things/humans & why we behave bad is important imho.Basically banning minorities together is in a lot of ways how the majority is made. And those never behave in the interest of most.
That’s not how that works.
Getting every group to do one thing together is harder than you think.
Does that change my point?
Hey, I just realised that if Brownian motion carries all the water molecules away together, I won’t need a towel after my shower.
Sorry, what? Your point? I suppose not.
Hence divide and conquer.
This assumes the minority groups can all agree on things in order to “come together.”
They’re deliberately being divided.
Everyone is being deliberately divided. It’s not specific to minority groups. I guess my issue is that the post is vague and assumes minority groups act as voting blocs which is pretty simplistic. OP is basically saying what everyone already knows: that there are more people making up “minorities” than there are making up the “majority.” I would argue that your local community has a higher impact on your vote than your ethnicity or race. For sure, those play a part, but they don’t singularly define your vote. Also, various minority groups skew quite differently. Latinos typically skew more conservative than, say Jews or blacks.
This assumes the minority groups can all agree on things in order to “come together.”
Do you know what a moot point is?
I do, and my point wasn’t. Not all minority groups agree on everything just because they’re minorities. The world is a tad more complicated than that. Besides, what are they “coming together” to do? Overthrow the “majority?” Does that automatically assume that the majority is wrong and minorities are right just because they’re minorities? Again, the world’s just not that simple.
This was about rights, not agreeing on every single subject. For minority groups without, or lacking in, basic human rights in the same population it is more productive to try and attain them as a singular group.
Everything you have said is a moot point in regards to what I am saying.
I suspect you’ve never hung out with enough different minority groups to understand the scope of difficulty. I mean FFS the Latinos vote against immigration, The poor vote against social services. Even when you run into a minority group that is doing things in their best interest, they’re not inclined to stick their neck out for people outside there subgroup. Nobody else is taking care of them so they take care of themselves and they give no F’s about the other minorities
The concept that all the minorities together aren’t a minority anymore is true at some level, I think you’ve got a better chance of having white leftists stand up for them then them standing up for each other.
I wish I could have the courage to collect downvotes like you
And in your own thread!
This is a lesson that the religious fundamentalists currently running the USA have weaponised.
This is a lesson that the religious fundamentalists currently running Turkey have weaponised.
Aren’t there more women than men in the world
(And I’m ignoring the million other thimgs I could say rn bc I dont have the emergyctk type)
You tell me.
Bernie Sanders always talks about a multi racial coalition
It is at least a step in the right direction.
Probability not relevant under a dictatorship or first past the post elections, but…
See also electoral alliance
UK has FPTP and had a coalition from 2010 to 2015.It’s unlikely to work in the US where the non-rep/dem parties are basically negligible.
That’s a good point. Even though the voting system makes it harder, it doesn’t make it impossible.
I don’t really see the parallel you are making.
In some countries you can even have coalition governments. Imagine a parliament made of at least 5 parties.
My hyper coalition an-cap-com people’s democratic uniparty dictatorship will save the west.
