J.D. Vance grew agitated after a mild fact-check on his comments about immigrants in Springfield, Ohio.
  • stoly@lemmy.world
    621·
    4 hours ago

    I watched the whole thing. Nobody freaked out. Stupid headline.

    Edit: title doesn’t match the real headline.

  • dragontamer@lemmy.worldEnglish
    967·
    6 hours ago

    No. Republicans loved that Vance pushed back here.

    This is not the win yall think it is.

    Walz did fine. Not as good as JD Vance but I at least wasn’t expecting Walz to do as well as JD Vance. Yall got the election if you keep the topic on Trump. Don’t get distracted here, especially when its an L or at best, stalemate on your image.

    • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works
      12·
      4 hours ago

      Y’all might be brainwashed… Or perhaps you have a brain worm? That’s actually an official, well-documented thing omongst Trump endorsers these days.

      • 5oap10116@lemmy.world
        2·
        2 hours ago

        Unfortunately it’s not about who was the most honest or had the best ideas. It’s about who was more “convincing” to a “blank slate”. When one person has zero problem saying anything to support their point even if its complete bullshit, it’s easy to be more convincing. I still think debates should happen but it’s sad that the Republicans “win at all costs” mentality elevates quick talkers who will lie to your face and make up disingenuous arguments without a care in the world. Something something about a pig in the mud and wrestling it…

        Sorry about all the air quotes but it’s hard to talk about this stuff without them.

      • dragontamer@lemmy.worldEnglish
        848·
        6 hours ago

        Convince people. The quick polls are already in.

        Walz is fine though. I don’t remember any mistake honestly. But the numbers are in already. We can say solidly that JD Vance did better.

        • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works
          10·
          4 hours ago

          Ah yes, “the numbers”. Are those the same numbers that say Trump has the bigliest rallies? Are they the BEST NUMBERS OF ALL TIME?

          Yeah, you might be an idiot if it belive any of that. That’s your right, though. It’s a free country, for now.

        • rockSlayer@lemmy.world
          461·
          6 hours ago

          22 people is hardly a survey for a national election, and is a total nonanswer. I’m asking you what you think Vance did better.

          • dragontamer@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2239·
            6 hours ago

            Image, body language. Looking at the camera with the “Marine Stare” to show off with body language his disdain for a particular topic or response from Walz (while Walz’s body language was not nearly as effective at showing JD Vance’s weird shit).

            If you’re not aware of what “Republicans see as weird”, well… guess what?? JD Vance is, and he’s able to rally people with just a glance. It was clearly effective. Though perhaps in a “deeper” political look / visual communication cue rather than actual talking.

            JD Vance is the complete package. Walz is well spoken but not quite as emoted and not as good of a reaction to JD Vance.

            Don’t get me wrong, JD Vance is fucking nuts. But if you’re not seeing JD Vance’s good performance here, you’re at risk at underestimating the scope of the problem here.

            EDIT: Like… base things. The things people care about. Like, “Who looked more like a soldier” (especially on the meta-topic of JD Vance service record vs Tim Walz’s service record), JD Vance looked more like a soldier. Base things that appeal to the ID and not logic. JD Vance is spot on on these issues.

            I don’t think it matters because Donald Trump is the actual topic of discussion. But JD Vance’s performance is better than you’d think within a Republican mindset.

            Its fine because Walz didn’t need to win this debate. Walz just needed to punt and he’s accomplished that. JD Vance isn’t going to turn all of Trump’s ills away with one good debate performance either (especially since Walz wasn’t crushed or defeated).

            Walz needed to introduce his personality to the country. And Walz did that. Good. Take the W for what it is, but don’t overplay your hand here. This isn’t like the Harris v Trump debate where Harris crushed Trump. This is actually slight win to JD Vance IMO but Walz is good enough to not damage Harris’s campaign kinda debate.

            • TimLovesTech (AuDHD)(he/him)@badatbeing.socialEnglish
              24·
              5 hours ago

              JD looked and talked like an alien making his first contact with humans. He lacks any charisma, and you can tell he doesn’t actually believe anything he says. And because of that, the moderators asked many times about his stance on almost everything being 180 degrees from when he started the Trump audition.

              Also I don’t think Republican = MAGA cult anymore. I also feel 99% of these “undecided” voters at this point are going to vote Trump, and are just reaching for something that they can say is the reason other than racism.

              • dragontamer@lemmy.worldEnglish
                710·
                5 hours ago

                and you can tell he doesn’t actually believe anything he says.

                100% agree on this point.

                But that’s also not JD Vance’s goal here. JD Vance’s goal is to sanewash Trump. And he accomplished that.

                JD looked and talked like an alien making his first contact with humans

                I kinda-sorta see where you’re coming from here.

                Alas: this is the marine stare. A lot of marines I know do this. I think people in the know are in the know and see JD Vance’s mannerism here as charismatic.

            • Pissman2020@lemmy.world
              242·
              6 hours ago

              Because the point of an election is to determine who has the best body language. You heard it here first folks

              • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works
                7·
                4 hours ago

                Trump looks like he’s about to fall forward at all times, and his blank, geriatric, demented stare is honestly a spectical at this point, paired with his constant word salad.

                I guess that means Kamala wins, folks. Wrap it up, everyone. It’s over. Let’s go home and move on.

              • Zexks@lemmy.world
                13·
                5 hours ago

                You all don’t seem to understand how stupid people vote. Or what’s important to them or most importantly HOW FUCKING MANY OF THEM YHERE ARE.

              • fartsparkles@sh.itjust.works
                61·
                5 hours ago

                You jest but half a country are below average intelligence. It’s not outlandish to think that many individuals in that half aren’t really following what is being said or understand it. What they can follow is the visuals. How they look, how they stand, how they move; how they “read”. And a non-trivial number of above average people still judge books by their covers.

                I think the point the person above was trying to make is that Vance won the area the majority of people can evaluate and the importance of visuals.

              • dragontamer@lemmy.worldEnglish
                711·
                6 hours ago

                Harris’s body language was far superior to Trump’s. And is part of why she crushed him so completely.

                EDIT: Body language is incredibly important to QAnon btw, because QAnon believes that JD Vance is not free to speak his mind. So these nods and looks JD Vance are doing are non-verbal acknowledgements that also plays to the whole “Q” and “Deep State” shit. Yadda-yadda.

                I’m not sure if you’re recognizing the threat this body language actually is, or the role its playing in this debate. Tim Walz certainly looks completely ignorant to it all (or at least, doesn’t want to deal with it). This is JD Vance literally leaning into Q-shit and rallying it.

            • rockSlayer@lemmy.world
              57·
              5 hours ago

              I know you’re getting downvoted, but I appreciate this analysis. I have autism and don’t pick up on body language

              • 474D@lemmy.world
                9·
                5 hours ago

                JD Vance did full 100% politician stance the entire time so I don’t think there’s anything to take from it.