Honestly a lot of it is probably people getting comfortable lurking again, Lemmy only counts post and comments as active users
So glad I decided to stop lurking and actually start participating right as the whole fediverse dies out, it’s not just lemmy.
I find it more comfortable to contribute to Lemmy than to other sites. There seems to be actual discussion and opportunities to learn, which can be much harder to come across on the other platforms.
And fewer comments that are clearly a chat bot.
Don’t worry! They’ve just become less obvious.
When you come across a ‘user’ that almost exclusively defends one controversial politician/company/government and all of their comments seem to follow a script. Also the account is either brand new or 5 years old but only started posting recently.
That I agree with. I don’t post often but when I do it’s always very positive and makes me want to post more . Compared to Reddit where it would have alot more negative comments or would just get removed by the mods for some stupid reason. Did you know you can no longer post on r/buildapc about asking for suggestions on building PC’s ? What’s even the point anymore?
Did you know you can no longer post on r/buildapc about asking for suggestions on building PC’s ?
Yeah it’s like a sub for a specific narrow purpose then people get buthurt about how people are always making the same posts over and over. So they turn it in to a wiki to “address repetitive spam” or whatever, so at that point you might as well just refer to one of the hundreds of other build lists found on other reputable sites. A lot of the productive hobby subs turn in to “hey check out my [reddit hyped product]!” and people actually posting things they’ve put effort in get little to no attention.
Definitely trying to interact more, Lemmy is a gift imo.
I feel like mastodon is doing alright.
It’s funny how despite social media becoming very normal, the old phenomenon of most content getting generated by a small portion of power users persists.
Tervell and Dirt_Owl.
I post
deleted by creator
I comment on stuff to try to make discussions active, it rarely works.
It has to be authentic, you can’t just comment to comment.
That’s just not true. I’ve made comments that I thought desirve no reply but humans find a way. If there’s no comments to read the shared content just isn’t that interesting. If I see comments then the shared content must be interesting enough to justify a discussion.
I can agree with that, but being authentic definitely helps the conversations take off.
Of course it helps. But some of my shitty comments are scaping the bottom of the barrel of my knowledge or patience with the replier…
This is something I’ve learned from online game forums. You actually have to be divisive to get a high amount of concurrent users.
It only seems to be the shit-shows that anyone feels obligated to post in.
Well I think you’re wrong, fuck you and your opinion /s
I actually don’t know to what extent I agree with you, but your theory certainly feels plausible to me. It reminds me of the internet adage about how the best way to get a right answer to your question is to be wrong. I can’t remember what it’s called.
Cunningham’s law. And just to buck the trend, you didn’t have to get it wrong to get the right answer ;).
deleted by creator
I’ve been pretty successful and keeping conversations going! I DO comment quite a bit, though.
Commenting so I‘m active :)
I don’t know how long it counts it for, but I try to remember to comment something like once every two weeks or something
that‘s a good idea. I will copy your „way of lemmy“.
I take a break over the weekend. If I comment, I need to check the client every hour or so. I don’t want replies/rebuttals to linger without a response if it is warranted. I need to work on my car projects and can’t be bothered with online interactions whilst doing so.
Time to step out of the shadows then 🤭
I’m doing my part!
Hello
Yo
I’m doing my part!
Me no lurk. Me comment.
My comment to stop the lurk
Well count me in now
Ok I am guilty of that. What about votes? Are they not counted as activity?
I’ll try to post atleast one comment every now and then.
You should have seen Lemmy before June 2023. All posts were from the same five people. For now the community seems to be alive and healthy.
I wonder if those same five people are sad, presumably because their posts aren’t as popular.
No, we are sad because the decrease in posts lately have left behind the worst parts of reddit.
No, we are sad because the decrease in posts lately have left behind the worst parts of reddit.
How so?
It’s all junk food generic memes and none of the whole grain hobbyist.
If everyone is browsing by top-6-hour I think we need to rethink the organization of things.
Yep, I’m jaded in my expectations knowing what Lemmy was prior to the massive expansion through June and July…
It was still a fun place, but it was a couple dozen posts a day across all servers, by a handful of people from the bigger servers.
We still have a lot of fixes to make on Lemmy, especially on the moderation, management, and content filtering side of things (though apps have been thankfully filling the gaps on some of these issues). Niche communities still need more participation to get off the ground. I’ll see again where we are in a few months from now.
Stamets, Risa and ThePicardManeuver basically run this place
Real
I exclusively surf “top 6 hours” and I’ve actually noticed an uptick in niche community content, lately. Different kind of growth, maybe a sort of settling into itself, finally.
If everyone is browsing by top-6-hour I think we need to rethink the sorting of things.
Oh yeah, the sort here kind of sucks. Also just using the site, you lose your place/sort if you click into a link or the comments. Like, if I’m on page 2 of Top 6 Hours, click a link, and then click back into the scroll… pretty sure I just see the first page of Active again until I either refresh or change pages.
That could definitely be improved as well.
I don’t think Voyager has this problem. Highly, highly recommend, both on desktop and mobile. The UI is slick enough that it’s kept me here. All I do is laugh at shit memes but it’s perfect
That’s a bug they’re fixing in the next patch I think
Thank God I thought it was just me!
Lemmy sorting has shit ever since there was enough content here to make sorting necessary. It’s been five months and it hasn’t been fixed.
Lemmy desperately needs a fork.
I sort by New. Bring it all on.
I subscribed to the communities I care the most about and sort by subscribed and new. That said, across 20 communities it’s probably something like 10-15 new posts per day so after I get through those and interact it’s off to all.
But I do try to engage in the communities I want to see grow.
New gets… Weird
That’s all I scroll as well. It’s not a bad experience over all
Bro, I noticed the same, it has been a long time since I played around with the sort types, I basically settled with Active and hid all seen stuff, now I feel I get different content with other kinds of sorts.
It’s very simple, most of the posts here are circle jerks (Linux, FOSS, boy howdy aren’t we better than Reddit, communism) or rage bait.
I only come here when I’m having a good day and I want to reel myself in a bit
That’s not lemmy, that’s all social media (albite divisive topics are a bit different among different communities).
This is a hot take, but I think humanity is slowly turning it’s back on social media because of it’s toxic nature. You can only open a browser and get your nuts kicked so many times before you finally decide you don’t like getting your nuts kicked.
humanity is slowly turning it’s back on social media
Are you living in a parallel universe or something? Are we talking for the same humanity that is 24/7 on Instagram and on tiktok?
I really wish you’re right but I’m afraid that the minorities you may know who just abandoned Facebook are not representing humanity
Would be nice if that’s the direction being taken.
Yeah the front page in particular is pretty bad for the average person. The average user isn’t going to enjoy Star Trek, Self-hosted, and Science memes.
We need a normie.world that has an “all” feed that doesn’t contain 90% niche communities.
Don’t forget firefox
I have a potentially contentious opinion. Normies are what ruined Reddit and the crowd attracted by normie communities are why Reddit is even more toxic than it used to be.
We don’t need to attract normies, we just need to attract more people like us.
I don’t hate normies by any means, but I don’t want to hang out with them all day either.
Yeah I completely disagree. Imagine if a city/local gov wanted to use Lemmy in order to be self hosted (similar to EU govs switching to Mastodon) but the public just wonders why their local gov put their stuff on a weird circle jerk website that’s flooded with niche memes. “Why didn’t they use the normal thing (i.e. reddit)?”
We should be welcoming enough that, when someone wants to make a new subreddit, they make Lemmy community instead. And I don’t think thats the case right now.
“Memes that people don’t get are unwelcoming.”
If a person sees something they’ve never seen before, and turns around and flees, that’s a problem with them being sheltered and pathetic, not a problem with the new thing they haven’t encountered before.
It’s not fleeing as much as it is being so bored that that they never really find the motivation to come back.
Isn’t Lemmy suposed to be FOSS? I thought that was the main reason why people left Reddit for Lemmy was that and API changes. Wouldn´t other FOSS be of interestt too? Just a thought.
Reddit’s great strength was that it was big enough that niche communities could attract enough users to have interesting conversations and a steady flow of content, and if you are a Reddit refugee looking for those sorts of communities you aren’t likely to find them on Lemmy. I’ve more or less made my peace with that, but if you’re not the kind to stand on principle, a falling user count is bad news for the hope that the Fediverse might snowball into the sort of place that can support discussions about your passions and hobbies even if they’re not the sort of thing that is popular with a specific set of tech-savvy anti-capitalist leftwing activists (and I say this with love as a fellow tech-savvy leftie… but y’all got one-track minds and it shows in what communities live and die around here).
That’s fine, there’s intelligent conversation here, it feels like reddit did ten years ago.
The echo chamber is as bad as reddit but less diverse and smaller. Sometimes it’s really painful.
Hey don’t forget about the other half of the posts, which are in a language you don’t understand. Seriously, my block list is long because language settings here mean nothing, and while I’m sure that’s quality content, uh, I can’t understand it.
Fuck yes.
Good days are good!
Thats why i like this place. Arguing and discussion online is terrible and its more suited to do with friends you trust.
Personnaly, I’m really enjoying it. You can interact without the Reddit toxicity. I miss a few specialized communities but I can live without it.
The behavior is describe as toxic definitely still exists here, and it’s worse because the morons tend to get up voted by other morons.
Yup, Lemmy is just as toxic if not more on some aspects
I think the difference is that I have experienced a lot of people engaging constructively with comments that they definitely wouldn’t have on reddit.
(Not that they would have reacted badly, they just wouldn’t have gotten responses at all)
Who the fuck cares about votes here lmao. Lemmy doesn’t have karma
That’s irrelevant, it shows that the hive mind trends toward the stupid opinion.
Social media as a whole is slowing down I think. People are starting to realize it makes them angry, sad, and annoyed.
I’m doing the least social media I’ve done since Facebook became a thing and now I realize that without those emotions I’m just kind of bored.
deleted by creator
Well that was a fascinating watch. Thanks for the link. I’ll definitely be watching more of his videos.
*boring
Thanks bud.
I literally bought a Lightphone II because I was spending too much time on reddit. Like, I’d stay in bed for an hour just scrolling.
I’ve recently slacked off and started keeping my iPhone (on wifi) next to me when I sleep. I loose interest in like 20 minutes.
I’ve made a point of not posting or commenting on reddit since the recent debacle, but it’s really frustrating when I have some OC that would be great for a niche community that just doesn’t exist in any real numbers on lemmy.
like Playdate dev or Framework laptop.
There’s nothing wrong with browsing your social media whereever that be Facebook or Instagram or messageboards like lemmy reddit or 4chan just as long as it’s not impacting your life. Could be a good way to catch up on friends and pass the time. Although “social media detoxing” can be really good for your mental health
Internet in general is becoming boring and tedious. Don’t know if it’s because of my age (Started to use internet when I was 13yo now I’m 31) but the internet isn’t that exciting and curiosity inducing place to me.
Good god, I sure hope so.
I won’t lie. I mostly don’t engage with content I see here. I didn’t do that when I was on Reddit either and mostly for the same reason: I don’t really have much to say and, even when I do have an opinion, I don’t usually want to engage in what’s often a protracted debate about something that will probably just end up being frustrating.
That’s not to say I haven’t had positive experiences on the Fediverse - I’ve had more here than anywhere else - I’m just not particularly motivated most of the time.
Well, I want to thank you for sharing your thoughts.
There are a number of thread topics on Lemmy that seem to keep going the same direction (Google, Musk, Gaza, Trump, Windows, etc.), and as you say, it can be frustrating and exhausting…
At the same tine on Lemmy, I had found articles that were worthwhile reading, updates to FOSS that I would have otherwise missed, no shortage of silly memes, and a handful of new perspectives that were positively thought provoking. Those let me look past most of the negative things and stuff that is pervasive on all kinds of forums, Reddit and social media on the whole.
deleted by creator
I do most of my discourse on Beehaw which is protected in many ways. When I used reddit I would often have a comment typed out ready to post and think better of it since I knew it would only drive dismissive and antagonistic responses of the stupidest kind. It may be because of the protections or it may be because of the smaller community but I find a lot less posturing and a lot more actual conversation since I’ve been using this platform. This is what keeps me here rather than reddit. It might be worth engaging in conversations you wouldn’t have on reddit when you’re interested.
I agree… Beehaw is such a wonderful and special place on the internet. I have an account there but I try to keep it separate from my main Lemmy.ca one so that I better hold myself accountable to the server rules, in order to foster nicer discourse.
I’ll happily participate with light-hearted content but otherwise I mostly feel like you when it comes to any polarising topics like politics, etc. I wish there were more content about my areas of expertise so I could participate in that but alas there’s mostly developer stuff only. Maybe I’m also not doing my best curating my feed since I tend to mostly browse all.
So do the new posts and everything. But Reddit is a shithole and Omegle got sued to death, online gaming is either a full time job or a money sink, streaming services start to cancel out each other and most of the regular games and their performance suck ass.
Guess I’ll just be productive then.
Guess I’ll just be productive then.
Never!
I will be posting 1 upvote (mine) and 0 comment posts until I die instead of choosing to be productive.
Eyyy, wellcome to enshitification!
I hate to admit this, but I’ve started using Reddit again. It pains me, but there is stuff I just can’t get here.
I used from time to time but I just can’t forget how shitty they were with the mods and the users overall.
Same here. I like the idea of Lemmy but the decentralization makes it really difficult to find the content I want. Reddits centralization, while causing some problems, definitely made it easy to find communities. That lack of ease is what makes Lemmy not as easy to use for new people.
there should be a “find the community” or something, where u can post ur niche and ppl will link where they discuss that
There’s also the problem where I totally want to start a community (for example: Marble Racing), but I don’t know where a good home would be for it and I don’t think my home instance would be a good home.
does it really matter that much? If people search it up, it will pop up. Even better if they discover it via a link.
I think it does a bit. The obvious one would be for porn on general purpose instances. Alternatively, my primary instance for example is a bit of a niche one related to reading, so a sports or politics community could feel disjointed especially for the admins/mods who manage the community.
I hear ya, but I can’t help ya. Sorry. Good luck tho!
Same here. I lurk more on Lemmy but if I want to discuss some niche topic then Reddit is so easy to I don’t use that fucking app though, website or 3rd party.
Same, but I only use it for TV show discussions. I haven’t been on the main page since June.
Indie games are the only thing keeping gaming alive for me, for the most part. All the AAA games I play are older titles. Doing the GTAV story with a trainer has been a pretty fun time lately for me.
Retro emulation here. 40 years of back catalog games to go through.
Haha i recently got $ 120 worth of converters to get HDMI to SCART to play those old games the way they’re meant to be played.
Extra bought a 16:9 Sony Triniton CRT TV for that.
Output to input: MacBook Air M1 - USB-C - HDMI - YPbPr - RGB (or RCA, the three cables) - SCART - TV
I bought a $75 handheld emulator lol. Plays up to some PS2 and fits in my pocket. Micro HDMI out turns it to a console too.
Posting is half of the fun. Especially contents who being other to comment and share opinion and new info.
Try Deep Rock Galactic! It is neither a full time job or a money sink. Any purchases are purely cosmetic, seasons are entirely free and there are regular updates.
Infinite growth is not a good thing, numbers rise and fall just let it do it’s own thing. That being said, maybe if the Lemmy instances would stop defederating like children snatching toys from one another at a daycare it would get more engagement.
How do you think they can better address the problem of abusive users from other servers?
I mean how did it work on Reddit? You banned the abusive users.
That wouldn’t work on Lemmy because one can make infinity user names on an instance without CAPTCHAs (or any other throttling).
And even then, Reddit tended to allow a lot of trolling.
I’m pretty sure the complaint is about instances that do have captchas/some kind of verification enabled but still being defederated.
So why doesn’t the “offending” server just ban them itself?
Read the comments thread of ANY of the “we defederated from” posts and it’s always the same “They were annoying tankies” shit. It isn’t a matter of abusive users, they have tools for that. They just want to allow fash shit to fester unopposed by the people capable of disarming it.
Just look at any instance that has hexbear and lemmygrad blocked. Their culture is already starting to decay into becoming reddit nazi bars.
Lemmy is neither popular nor heavily advertised, so people join at a slow rate
On the other hand, the amount political discussions, Hexbear, and lack of content result in disinterested people leaving Lemmy and joining Reddit
So the user count is decreasing because Reddit refugees are leaving faster than new people are joining
Memes are at least 50% shilling for communism.
If that’s not your jam go to your ad filled corpo hellscape and talk to bots 🤷♂️
Commies again with the thinnest of skins
Jesus with the projection.
Dumbasses that think they’re going to be millionaires too 😂
Uh, I don’t think many commies think of themselves as future millionaires? Or at least in the conventional sense
deleted by creator
Lemmy is whatever we make it, except for the communism posts that love communism until they realize workers need representation. I half believe those are Chinese bots or high school kids who are stupid enough to believe the Chinese bots.
You may wanna try a different instance if all that is getting to you
Or just block some communities
Got new for you champ China doesn’t gaf about communism… and they sure as fuck don’t care enough to deploy bots on lemmy… The fediverse maybe…
Right. Magically, everyone on the Internet has become infatuated with communism out of thin air over the last few years. Must just be my paranoia to surggest influence from a hostile government.
[I got a bot to automatically delete all my comments over 1 month old so you can’t see this comment anymore]
Homie did you repress COVID? Anyone that wasn’t removed about wearing a mask was discussing why this system isn’t working for them. Sorry you weren’t invited to the discussion.
It only takes a few convincing sock accounts not even 0.1% of there resources and woosh half the userbase of this site.wants a violent uprising and to eat the rich. Especially with a site like lemmy as it already has a really small suspectible and easy-to-manipulate userbase whom will believe anything there spoonfed
I believe and there’s evidence to suggest that both China and Russia both have an industry based upon spreading political propaganda for there own self-gain and interest on the western Internet. Entire office cubicles filled with monitors displaying social media sites big and small.3.5 hard drives filled with tankie memes and "stopping the intolerant " posters computer keyboard’s tapping away while groups of highly intelligent people spread highly sophisticated pieces of propoganda and attempt to silence there opponents and spread lies about them but this is just a conspiracy a CONSPIRACY THEORY
Edit: It’s not even a conspiracy it’s a real thing This took me 5 seconds of googling
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_web_brigades
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_Internet_propaganda?wprov=sfla1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_water_army?wprov=sfla1
While all of this is great for Russia doing this.
Is there any evidence China does?
If people left Reddit and then went back, then they are just proving to spez that they are the addicts he thinks they are and is counting on abusing. No thanks. Fuck Reddit.
Reddit has actually gotten a lot better since the Exodus. All the political activists have come here.
Just wait for the US election season to get into full swing. It’ll become a steaming pile again.
There’s no more r/ENLIGHTENEDCENTRISM?
Highly doubt that. You’ve probably just gotten better at curating your subs. Fediverse has been a vastly superior experience for me either way.
People had multiple accounts because servers were unstable. Now that stability has increased we’re just abandoning the alts.
Can confirm.
Yep, can confirm. Over the last couple of week I closed 20.000 alts.
the average lemmy user has 3 alts factoid is just statistical error. the average lemmy user has 0 alts. alts georg, who lives on linux.community apparently and has 20,000 alts, is a statistical outlier adn should not be counted
As someone who posts a ton, I’ve noticed that a lot of people seem to check the top posts once a day or so. Posts can be slow to get engagement and traction, but the ones that become super active still seem to hit similar peaks as before (1-2k upvotes, hundreds of comments).
But yeah, people aren’t as actively engaged and commenting on everything all day like they used to on reddit. The framework is here, and I think if there were another big exodus, Lemmy is set up to be a great landing point.
But on the other hand reddits comments were frequently shallow and full of annoying jokes. I love reading Lemmy!
This. Quality over quantity. There are much more walls of text, but it’s filled with information and humanity. Reddit just became another Meta platform, but for niches. Lemmy has great communities, but all are tech and anti-big-corpo related, I feel right at home :p, but I understand that most don’t.
[I got a bot to automatically delete all my comments over 1 month old so you can’t see this comment anymore]
I think part of it is that if someone comes here looking for a Reddit substitute, they will be disappointed, but if they come here looking for something extremely distinct from Reddit, they will also be disappointed. A lot of fediverse stuff is basically an inferior Reddit clone and that problem was compounded by the huge wave of Ledditors basically hijacking the culture of multiple instances to just exercise their Reddit habits, making the comparison even more obvious and poor.
Lemmy needs to eat populations that aren’t too big in order to metabolize them properly. Anything beyond that is going to get ejected along with some of what it could have handled if it was just that, and this will remain how it works until Lemmy figures out how to push people much harder to engage differently with it than with Reddit.
It really doesn’t bother me tbh. The fediverse isn’t for everyone and I’d rather people just use whatever platform they prefer than endlessly complaining on Lemmy when it’s clearly simply not for them. And that’s okay, use whatever platform suits you.
The whole “populist” mindset of modern social media is trash anyway. I miss the age of forums and boards instead of monolithic megacorp run social media
It’s actually a good thing. We are all chaff here.
Maybe if every community wasn’t just another Linux memes community we wouldn’t have lost all of the users.
Told you guys this shit was gonna happen.
There are plenty of other communities people made, just most didn’t become very active. If the Linux memes are everywhere, it’s because those are the people actually active here
It’s not that they’re not active, it’s that every single thread on every single community devolves into linux discussions even if the community isn’t in any way supposed to be about Linux.
Also the ones that aren’t active aren’t active because everyone realized lemmy only caters to like three interests.
We need better moderation so that the communities which are supposed to be about Linux are, and the ones that aren’t don’t get flooded with it. That way newcomers won’t feel like they have no place here unless they’re an anti-car, vegan, FOSS user.
If this doesn’t happen, lemmy will slowly die and people will have to go to other places like Tildes or back to Reddit.
Personally I don’t think I’ve noticed this. Things devolving into political discussions, sure, but that’s par for the course with social media I imagine. I had assumed you meant the prevalence of Linux stuff on the all feed.
No I mean the prevalence of Linux on c/memes, on c/mildlyinfuriating, c/programmerhumor, anywhere but Linux and Linux memes which are specifically designated for that content.
If you haven’t seen it on the comments of every possible thread you’re either wearing blinders or willfully ignorant. You can’t go three comments down on a single post anywhere without someone mentioning Linux and then the whole thread is Linux from there.
I would fully expect Linux content on any community dedicated to technology (i.e. programmerhumor); the rest is totally understandable. Though, I have to agree with @CarbonIceDragon, I really don’t see as much Linux content as you seem to - granted I use kbin, not lemmy.
I’ve read that Lemmy is a bit more personally curated than kbin, is it possible you’ve just accidentally built yourself a Linux bubble?
Fair enough on programmer humor, but no I don’t think I’ve built any kind of bubble. I only subscribe to those two aforementioned Linux communities, everything else is just bleed over. My feed is pretty well rounded to match what I had going on over at reddit.
Idea: Join me on !trains@lemmy.ml and help me post more Linux-free train and railway news?
!bahn@feddit.de auf Deutsch!
Hmm but what kind of software do these trains run on? Allow me to take a moment and explain how switching these operations to Linux could increase schedule reliability while minimizing expenses.
(/s, if needed… I hope your community grows!)
Thanks. I’d heard they were serving WINE on some trains… (suspicious look)
Dunno if this is default lemmy behavior but you can filter keywords on Voyager (and I’m sure other clients).
Yeah reddit spring user here, I kinda agree. Not that I mind them but there is an awful lot of ‘LOL WINDOWS NORMIES LOL’ and ‘JOKE ABOUT HOW HARD THIS LINUX IS.’ is like… allot of the jokes.
A lot of the problems with Linux are the same problems Lemmy has, so it’s a really good point.
Do you have a few minutes to talk about our Lord and Saviour, Linus Torvalds?
I use Linux, I just hate Linux users.
I bet you’re a filthy systemd heretic!
Personally I only worship Saint IGNUcius https://stallman.org/saint.html
Oh and Satan, I also worship Satan.
It’s worth noting that Lemmy only had around 1000 active users for the first half of 2023. (Kbin had fewer than 40 active users until May 2023!) Currently Lemmy + Kbin have about 38,000 active users.
That’s the reality of where we are. A quiet rural village that turned into a boom town, and now is finding a new normal.
There’s some of us!
I never even new lemmy existed until the reddixit and I never went back because I think lemmy is a lot less toxic. Also worth pointing out that this post alone has more than 800 likes When I firsf came around top posts had 100 likes tops
