And no IPad version to

    • davidgro@lemmy.world
      85·
      1 year ago

      Yes it is, and because of who owns it, I would even prefer that to an unsandboxed closed source native binary.

        • sailingbythelee@lemmy.world
          10·
          1 year ago

          It’s because the vast, vast, VAST majority of people have no idea that many apps are just showing a website. Also, the app version is almost always more efficient in terms of precious phone screen real estate compared to a browser. Apps also remember who you are so you don’t have to login. It isn’t hard to understand why people like them.

          That said, many apps are horrible from a privacy perspective. But that is largely hidden from the average user, most of whom simply don’t think much about online privacy anyway.

          I hope the ubiquity of irritating ads are the thin edge of the wedge that gets more people interested in ad-blocking, and then perhaps online privacy more generally.

    • kratoz29@lemm.eeEnglish
      2·
      1 year ago

      works without a phone nearby nowadays?

      Last time I checked it kicked me out for no reason… But in a nutshell yes.

    • doofer_name@feddit.de
      282·
      1 year ago

      Same. No sane linux user should.

      …

      Und: Hubi ist Linux Nutzer konfirmiert. - 2023, koloriert

    • RmDebArc_5@lemmy.mlOP
      9·
      1 year ago

      I don’t like WhatsApp, but some people simply refuse to use anything else (“better”) and the web clients can bridge the gap but it’s extremely annoying not being able to answer a call with a person you are texting

      • utopiah@lemmy.world
        41·
        1 year ago

        Easy, I don’t talk to such people. They can have my email or phone number if truly necessary. Yes, same for family or work, just not using Meta products for communication. Surprisingly enough people do understand.

        • im sorry i broke the code@sh.itjust.works
          2·
          1 year ago

          “Easy, I don’t talk to such people”

          so you don’t talk to most people, outside of coworkers, family and other weirdos

          T. Care about privacy, also care about having a social life without being an annoying weirdo

          • utopiah@lemmy.world
            1·
            1 year ago

            It’s called having standards.

            OK provocation aside yes, you actually have to stand for what you believe in. For some people it means not going to a meat restaurants, for others, like me, it means not accepting a WhatsApp chat or a Google Drive share. You also do that but because it’s either so ingrained or socially accepted you do not even notice anymore. Your standards are definitely not mine but if neither of us do push back, then we as a society go backward IMHO (even knowing my standards are not yours, assuming at least some of us do think and act based on new knowledge rather than random beliefs). So… yes it means my circle of acquaintances is not the most inclusive but I do accept boundaries and if it means someone is toxic according to my perspective, they are out, simple.

            PS: you actually have no idea what my social life is. You literally can not judge if it’s “richer” or “poorer” than anyone else.

    • Jagermo@feddit.de
      2·
      1 year ago

      Element one via bridges and run WhatsApp on an old phone - that’s the most I will allow an app from meta in my enviroment

      • miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml
        4·
        1 year ago

        But please tell your contacts that you’re using bridges, if you haven’t already.

        You are effectively giving away encryption keys to a third party, since those messages need to be decrypted and re-encrypted mid-transit.
        Everyone who is part of the chats you use bridges with deserves to know about that fact, at least.

        • Che Banana@lemmy.ml
          25·
          1 year ago

          Couple reasons:

          WhatsApp was its own company, took advantage of an open market in EU where SMS (and “international” phone calls?) were extra rate charges on mobile phones. Once every one got accustomed to using whatsapp Meta took it over and now we’re stuck with it.

        • meliaesc@lemmy.world
          141·
          1 year ago

          To communicate with anyone outside of the US, where it is extremely popular and is the main interaction with many businesses as well.

        • Pfnic@feddit.ch
          101·
          1 year ago

          It’s almost impossible not to sadly, at least if you want to reach everybody in ypur contacts… It was the first popular messaging app here and inertia prevents people from moving to better alternatives now.

        • mayonaise_met@feddit.nl
          3·
          1 year ago

          The reason is the network effect. I want to use signal or rather even an EU based messaging service, but everybody, including businesses, are on WhatsApp in my country.

  • Mio@feddit.nu
    29·
    1 year ago

    Even if it exists, then it does not have to be good. Look at Microsoft Teams.

      • mayonaise_met@feddit.nl
        2·
        1 year ago

        No separate tabs to do various things at once. You can pop out chats and calls, but that’s about it.

        It also struggles to connect with the right audio device everytime.

      • Im_old@lemmy.world
        2·
        1 year ago

        It’s so horribly slow and resource hungry. It sucks a ton of memory, a lot of cpu. Every time I start a video call the cpu fan goes brrrr

      • saze@feddit.uk
        1·
        1 year ago

        It has indeed improved a lot over the last 2 years or so and is now actually quite a mature product, as much as I hate to admit that about an MS product. My biggest gripes with it are its refusal to acknowledge you may be using multiple devices (to this day) and MS’s insistence that a person only do one thing at one time (can’t edit calendar items while checking a chat, for example). Their Linux app is a joke and I’m better off running it from Chrome. The phone app makes the WiFi interface crash constantly and I have to run it off 4G; it is the only app I have this issue with.

        Which brings me to another gripe. Teams documentation insists that screen sharing on Linux is not supported, and sure enough you cannot see the option for it while on a call with someone. However if you are in a meeting (with however many people), the option magically appears and works absolutely perfectly.

          • saze@feddit.uk
            1·
            1 year ago

            Apologies for the late reply, still getting a hang of this!

            By multiple devices issues I meant the following. Sometimes for example, I am on a Teams call on my phone but want to use my laptop to view screensharing stuff and join the call there too (without hanging up the phone). Teams will insist that my audio switch over to the laptop too and I have to manually disable the audio on the laptop and re-enable it on the phone. It shocks me that such a mature offering from a massive corporation still cannot figure out that I may want a screenshare/audio split onto two devices and ask me at least. Another smaller nag, if I want audio only on the phone, it will constantly bug me to tell me the incoming video is switched off. I kind of understand this however, I get that they want to let the average user know why there is no incoming video, but surely there ought to be a “leave me alone” setting for this.

    • InFerNo@lemmy.ml
      10·
      1 year ago

      I just use discord via the browser. Why would I allow it to harvest my data as an app?

        • uis@lemmy.world
          2·
          1 year ago

          If you use JACK audio, then you can make it Unix-way. Or use hardware PTT.

          EDIT: or just mute/unmute mic system-wide

          • Flax@feddit.ukEnglish
            1·
            1 year ago

            It makes sense. Websites in a browser shouldn’t be able to detect keystrokes outside of the tab

        • Amends1782@lemmy.ca
          11·
          1 year ago

          They have to do it on fucking purpose right? Only allow keybinds so you have to get the client so they can collect user data

          • Flax@feddit.ukEnglish
            2·
            1 year ago

            No, it’s probably because websites running in Chrome might lack the ability to detect keystrokes in the background. If they did, that’s a very very concerning security risk.

            If they wanted to force you, they’d just disable the web app lmao

      • Chewy@discuss.tchncs.de
        3·
        1 year ago

        Because the desktop app works without having your phone around, if I remember correctly. It’s a relatively recent feature.

          • Chewy@discuss.tchncs.de
            3·
            1 year ago

            The web version isn’t a standalone client like Signal, which registers as an additional device with e2e. WhatsApp web communicates with the WhatsApp app, so it doesn’t work if the phone isn’t connected to the internet (in early versions it had to be the same network, if I remember correctly).

            I believe WA introduced a feature which allowed the desktop app to function standalone like Signal. Signal Desktop adds a second device with it’s own keys, so contacts send automatically messages to two devices. I’m not sure if it works the same for WA, and if they even have the feature. I don’t have a compatible desktop.

        • Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          14·
          1 year ago

          I think a lot of tech-savvy adults care about E2E on blue iMessage bubbles. I won’t talk about sensitive information via green, that’s all going to signal.

          • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
            6·
            1 year ago

            Imma burst your bubble (pun intended) but that’s such a small part of the population and even such a small part of the tech savvy population that I don’t think it’s much of an argument.

            • Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com
              1·
              1 year ago

              That’s fair! I’m just going by my own experiences. But I have a lot of tech-savvy friends and acquaintances and even many non-tech-savvy mates are into Signal vs SMS because it’s secure, has great audio/video chat, and it’s not owned by shudders Facebook. I personally do not touch any google or Facebook products or services.

          • Ziglin@lemmy.world
            2·
            1 year ago

            Apple gives it funny colours? Google messages just change saturation. Also for some reason I can’t send RCS (and e2e encrypted) messages to my relatives with apple phones. But I got most of them to use Signal :>

            • Lolors17@feddit.deEnglish
              1·
              1 year ago

              I just recently read something about, that apple needs to use RCS by the end of 2023.

              • Ziglin@lemmy.world
                1·
                1 year ago

                I actually heard the same on techlinked today, but apparently apple doesn’t seem to be interested in e2e encryption for their RCS messages.

  • mightyfoolish@lemmy.world
    17·
    1 year ago

    Facebook couldn’t bother making a proper Android app for years. Now you want them to make Linux apps? The likelihood is small…

  • Rin@lemm.ee
    16·
    1 year ago

    My MF smartwatch has WhatsApp but still no Linux version.

  • Andrew@mander.xyz
    163·
    1 year ago

    You shouldn’t use this app in the first place. It had many data breaches and it copy everything from Telegram (maybe everyone copies, but I don’t use other apps). I only mainly use Telegram and Matrix.

    • n1ved@lemmy.world
      11·
      1 year ago

      It’s impossible to convince that to friends and family. In my country everyone use WhatsApp as primary messaging app . It’s kind of like iMessage situation in US

      • Andrew@mander.xyz
        2·
        1 year ago

        It’s nice that a lot of my surroundings have finally jumped to Telegram. Previously it was Viber (bleh). But it’s much hard to go to Matrix because it’s much much less feature rich and less polished then Telegram. I can easily use it as a basic text messenger, but that’s about it. So Telegram is a solid middle ground. Can’t wait for the multi server Matrix accounts.

  • Tattorack@lemmy.world
    12·
    1 year ago

    Discord on Linux kinda sucks, though. It’s more resource demanding than the Windows version and I can’t even stream with audio.

    • HiddenLayer5@lemmy.mlEnglish
      3·
      1 year ago

      I just use Discord from my browser where it’s at least sandboxed and doesn’t have access to my filesystem.

      Since it’s an electron app anyway it’s basically the same as the app.

    • Amends1782@lemmy.ca
      2·
      1 year ago

      I honeslty haven’t had any issues with it. But I’m sire others are. I feel like that’s the biggest challenge since there’s a ton of distros and architectures

    • arthurpizza@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      1 year ago

      I use it in the browser on Linux and it works fine. Everything works. They’re electron app is poorly deployed.