cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/39883667
cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/6931377
cross-posted from: https://news.abolish.capital/post/11379
Since Israel began bombarding Gaza and starving its population of more than 2 million Palestinians in October 2023, the consensus that the Israeli government is committing genocide has steadily grown to include international and Israeli human rights groups, a United Nations panel, Holocaust scholars, and nearly 40% of Jewish Americans, according to one striking recent survey.
But in 10 words, former US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Tuesday waved away the findings of respected groups like Amnesty International and renowned experts like Brown University professor Omer Bartov, when she commented on why young Americans are expressing support for Palestinians.
“They were getting their information from social media, particularly TikTok,” said Clinton.
Without pointing to any evidence, the former secretary of state said young people in the US are “seeing short-form videos, some of them totally made up, some of them not at all representing what they claim to be showing, and that’s where they get their information” about Israel’s attacks on Gaza.
She added that “it’s not just the usual suspects”—without naming who those pro-Palestinian “suspects” are.
“It’s a lot of young Jewish Americans who don’t know the history and don’t understand,” she said. “A lot of the challenge is with younger people.”
Hillary Clinton blames TikTok and “totally made up” videos for young people’s views on Israel and Palestine.
She says social media influenced “not just the usual suspects” but also “young Jewish Americans who don’t know the history and don’t understand.” https://t.co/rUVXRqK2rK pic.twitter.com/hAwG7Gbhwf
— Prem Thakker (@prem_thakker) December 2, 2025Her remarks echoed those of former Obama White House speechwriter Sarah Hurwitz, who spoke recently about the challenges Zionists are presented with when they try to defend Israel to young Jewish people who have seen widely available, credible images and news out of Gaza, where Israel has killed more than 70,000 Palestinians and is continuing to restrict humanitarian aid despite a ceasefire deal reached in October.
“Anything that we try to say to them, they’re hearing it through this wall of carnage,” Hurwitz lamented last month, drawing condemnation.
Clinton was speaking at an event in New York City for Israel Hayom, the most widely read newspaper in Israel, which is run by billionaire Miriam Adelson, a megadonor to President Donald Trump. Adelson published an editorial in the Jewish Journal in November 2023 saying pro-Palestinian protesters “are dead to us,” and her late husband, Republican donor Sheldon Adelson, said in 2014 that the Palestinians are “an invented people.”
Jeremy Slevin, a senior adviser to Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), pointed to the irony of Clinton attending an event associated with the Adelsons and then claiming that “the kids are being radicalized by anti-Israel propaganda.”
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Clinton has frequently claimed that pro-Palestinian Americans, particularly students who took part in nationwide campus protests last year as they urged the Biden administration to comply with US law and stop funding Israel’s attacks on Gaza, are simply misinformed about Palestine and ignorant of history, particularly pointing to the 2000 Camp David Summit hosted by former President Bill Clinton.
The former secretary of state has repeated the claim that the Palestinians were offered a “generous deal” at the meeting and “walked away”—a “myth” that Camp David negotiator Robert Malley has debunked, warning it’s been used by Clinton and others to “justify Israel’s genocide.”
Robert Malley on the myth of “Palestinians walked away” at Camp David (July 2000):
➤ Malley says the popular story pushed since 2000 – that Arafat rejected a “generous offer” – is contradicted by the actual record. Israeli PM Barak sidelined the Palestinians for a year,… pic.twitter.com/3vlf1Rl4qj
— Drop Site (@DropSiteNews) November 28, 2025“She’s the one getting the history wrong,” including at the Israel Hayom event, said Drop Site News on Tuesday.
A number of observers took issue with Clinton’s suggestion that anti-Israel sentiment in the US is being driven solely by young people, with Just Security executive editor Adil Haque issuing a “periodic reminder that the biggest shift in attitudes toward Israel and Palestine has been among older Democrats.”
In 2022, 43% Democratic voters ages 50 and up had an unfavorable view of Israel. That percentage has risen sharply since Israel began its onslaught in Gaza, with 66% of those voters reporting an unfavorable view in a Pew Research Center poll this year.
Meanwhile, 71% of Democrats ages 49 and under opposed Israel in the same poll, and 62% of them had expressed opposition in 2022, denoting a less extreme shift in opinion.
“Democrats get their news from CNN more than other mainstream sources,” said Haque, pointing to the network’s recent investigation about Palestinian aid-seekers who were killed by Israeli forces. “If you’re a 60-year-old with grandkids and you read or watch CNN’s Gaza reporting, you don’t need TikTok to know that what’s happening is very, very wrong.”
Dylan Williams, vice president of government affairs at the Center for International Policy, also suggested Clinton has an inaccurate view of who opposes Israel’s ongoing attacks on Palestinians.
“I’m nearly 50. I don’t use TikTok. I listen to NPR ‘Morning Edition’ and read the Financial Times daily,” said Williams. “I’m a lawyer who has worked on Israel-Palestine issues for the last 20 years. The evidence I’ve seen that Israel committed atrocities including genocide in Gaza is overwhelming.”
Author Jason Overstreet wondered how Clinton would explain the findings of human rights groups like Amnesty International and Israel-based B’Tselem, which pointed to testimonies by Israeli soldiers and the documented destruction of Gaza’s food system when it concluded in a report in July that Israel is committing genocide in the exclave.
“I guess Hillary Clinton also thinks that Amnesty International called what’s happening in Gaza a genocide because they saw some videos on TikTok and just ‘did not know history,’” said Overstreet. “Young people’s views on Israel are based on young people knowing that Israel has committed genocide.”
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Israel is committing Genocide.
Just to point out, Israel committing genocide is what makes people think Israel is committing genocide.
But… but everything was better when they didn’t know about it!
Ban the tok! 😭
who can we blame for arab terrorist groups literally having israeli genocide written into their constitution and arabs starting genocidal wars against israel?
I’m guessing you’re referencing the Hamas Charter. It has since been updated:
While the 1988 Hamas Charter had been widely criticized for its antisemitism, the 2017 document removed the antisemitic language and stated that Hamas’ fight was not with Jews as such because of their religion but with the “Zionist project.”[10][11][12][13][14][15] When asked, Hamas leaders explained that “The original charter has now become a historical document and part of an earlier stage in our evolution. It will remain in the movement’s bookshelf as a record of our past.”[16]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Hamas_charter
They haven’t fully repudiated the old charter, though, so there’s that. But I can’t fault them for trying to push back against the “Zionist project.” Anyone would fight for their right to continue living on their ancestral lands, if threatened.
I don’t need to ever hear from Hilary again.
I am not a young person and do not ever use TikTok. The reason I think there is a genocide is the sheer preponderance of evidence.
Stop calling it a genocide, it’s just a simple case of systematically eradicating a specific group of people. - Hillary Clinton (probably)
I am not a young person and do not ever use TikTok. The reason I think there is a genocide is the sheer preponderance of evidence.
Same
The average Lemmy user is going to be significantly more informed than the average person. If you only used cable news and Facebook to get your information you wouldn’t have the facts to take an informed stance.
If you use cable news outside the US you will see what israel is doing and piece it together too.
“Used to be that young people just believed whatever propaganda we fed them! But now they’ve got actual video evidence of Isreal committing horrifying crimes against humanity and this has somehow convinced their barely formed minds that Isreal are, like, bad or something. Grumble grumble, oh shit my Depends are overflowing again!”
I don’t use TikTok. TikTok is garbage.
I believe Israel is committing a genocide because:
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People in Gaza tell us so
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Senators and House Reps in US Congress tell us so, namely Jewish Bernie Sanders, (though as Genocide is reason for war they can be censured and removed for using the exact word, he has used words like mass starvation, exodus, bombing of tens of thousands up to millions of people majority women and children, etc.)
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Pete Hegseth specifically said “Death or Exodus” of Palestinians
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Fucking Israel tells us so
She isn’t even corrupt at this point she is very clearly senile.
“Death or Exodus,” what a fucking chode. These idiots feel so smart and mystical using words from the bee eye bee ell eeeeeeeeeee!!!
I probably found out about it because of MSM like BBC news, or just word of mouth. It’s funny that they think banning tiktok will change anything… Maybe we should let them.
Oh yeah and of course, point 4, Israel told us.
We should ban Tiktok. Tiktok should have been banned a long fucking time ago. Tiktok is a weapon developed to cause us harm.
though as Genocide is reason for war they can be censured and removed for using the exact word
Citation? How tf does Congress get the power to declare war yet cannot discuss reasons for war? Also isn’t the discussing things on the floor of Congress give you extra free speech protections?
Genocide is listed as the primary justification for intervention and war under the United Nations Genocide Convention in 1948. LINK HERE
During the US Civil War, members of congress faced expulsion for advocating war against the USA and its allies. To date only 20 members of congress have ever been expelled. Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib was recently censured and threatened with expulsion for using this exact language.
Congress can discuss war, but discussing war against allies can get you expelled from congress.
Personally whether we call it a “genocide” or a “mass starvation of millions” or the “war on innocent people, killing of tens of thousands of women and children, expulsion from their homes and exile” is a difference without any distinction so I don’t give a single flying fuck if they use the word genocide or not.
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Hey Hillary.
Genocide - the deliberate and systematic destruction of a group of people because of their ethnicity, nationality, religion, or race.
Words have meaning. The state of Israel is committing genocide.
oh hey look the third most famous person to suck off Bill Clinton
There is zero evidence or claim she ever blew him
Technically it would just be “suck” he wouldn’t let other people get him “off”/finish the job because that would be a sexual act.
Fuck off you irrelevant old fool.
Hilary Clinton is a loser. What she says or thinks is unimportant.
Its important for Tankies and Republicans because they can use it to shame the DNC and decrease faith in the entire system.
Israel IS committing genocide. Maybe if Israel doesn’t want people to think it’s doing genocide, it should stop doing genocide. TikTok ain’t got shit to do with it.
Bet Israel is paying her a lot for this bad take
Hillary also tried to blame gang violence and school shootings on video games decades ago.
She was wrong then, she’s wrong now.
People talk a lot about Hillary Clinton infamous “Pokémon Go to the Polls” remark, but she repeatedly suggested banning “violent” video games through her 2015-2016 campaign. That was undoubtedly a factor in GamerGate/ the alt-right shift among mainstream gaming and internet culture at that time. I found out that Hillary held this position from mainstream internet memes.
I don’t think the significance of this issue can be understated, given Gen Z’s rightward shift in 2024. Feminists are gonna vote Dem, Bible-Thumpers are gonna vote Republican; it’s the politically-indifferent population that decide elections.
People don’t know/have forgotten that the Democrats really pushed the moral panic around violent video games and music. Both Joe Liberman (Al Gore’s running mate and promenant senator) and Tipper Gore (wife of Al Gore) were leaders in pushing for music/video game censorship
Tipper Gore was part of a group of Evangelical Christian representative’s spouses who did this. The driving force was her faith not her party.
But her party supported her efforts, so while it may have started with some religious rationalization, the Dems took it on as well. Another shameful example of Democratic weakness, and willingness to abandon their principles for no good reason at all.
Whose party? Tipper Gore was Al Gore’s wife not a politician herself. The PMRC was a bipartisan group in terms of which party theor husbands were in.
A politician’s wife is an extension of the politician, and uses her voice to amplify their chosen issues. When the first or second lady start talking about an issue, it’s because they have been cleared by the administration to talk about it.
Don’t kid yourself, the 90s Democrats were trying to appease the pearl-clutching moralizing Republicans by voluntarily abusing the First Amendment because Republicans were offended by curse words on records, and Tipper Gore was the point man.
First, no the wife of someone is not an extension of their spouse nor vice versa as they are separate people.
Second, why are you talking about the 1990s? Were you alive when this was going on?
They were also in on the whole Clipper Chip debacle. They tried to force a hardware level encryption backdoor into all computers back under President Clinton. This stuff isn’t new for them, they’re just less dictatory then the Conservatives who are founded on the restoration of the monarchy.
The same Joe Lieberman that blocked the public option from the ACA. Guy was a real piece of shit.
Uhhh, Hillary is a grasping attention-seeker… and corrupt.
Am not on tiktok, am not a kid and even I see what is happening in Gaza.
She needs to fuck off and STFU like her husband.
Who gives a fuck what hillary clinton thinks or says. She never deserved anyone’s attention in the first place. Her claim to fame: Married to a president.
Second claim to infamy? She doesn’t suck cock as good as Donvict tRUMP.
They can use this event to decrease faith in the entire DNC.
the DNC that she represents isn’t the party that’s winning elections. They can try, and they can fail the same way they’ve been failing for the past decade. She represents rich boomers and nobody else.
From where I’m sitting they haven’t been failing, the DNC has had 48 or less senators for over a decade.
so… failing.
So, to recap for you, since it’s been 2 days, you claimed 1) she is not the DNC, which I agree with, 2) the people she represents are failing
But the people she is representing in this case don’t want the DNC to win at all.
1: She is not the DNC even if she was for a hot second. 2: She is a failure. 3: So is the DNC. But then thinking about it sober, it doesn’t really matter because they’re all failures and they deserve eachother.
Blame Israel committing genocide for the view that people think Israel is committing genocide.
It’s not just young Americans; it’s also old Europeans and people from many other countries. It’s genocide experts, human rights experts, and basically everybody who opposes genocide, who are all horrified and disgusted by what’s been going on.
