Of all generational cohorts, older millennials are most likely to generate enough income to retire comfortably, according to the latest Vanguard Retirement Readiness report.
Specifically, millennials aged 37-41 have the greatest chance of landing a comfortable retirement.
I’m so sick of this complacency with the idea of paying into social security your whole life to fund the boomer retirees just to have it taken from us as one final fuck you. The vocalized consensus among everyone needs to be its not getting taken from us, if anything it will be fixed and made more robust and any politician that acts to remove it from us will have their heads removed from their bodies.
Absolutely. I get the doom, but there’s no way I’m just rolling over on SS, ever.
So we post into social security assuming we won’t get it to support the boomers but then they shot down student loan forgiveness, cool.
All it takes is one far right politician to take all that social security money for tax breaks for the rich, write a massive IOU, create rules regarding how far it has to be funded, and then declare social security bankruptcy. It’s what is happening to the USPS.
Please refer to the final part of my statement
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It’s literally a Ponzi scheme that the government just declared it to not be one. It must either explode or have ever growing generations funding it.
Wealth redistribution isn’t a ponzi scheme. Even if we do nothing to “fix” social security it will keep writing checks.
It’s an unfunded mandate. It can’t if the fund has no money. Touch nothing and the program runs out of money to pay the drawing population. Basic math.
Something as to shift or it will in fact not be able to pay out for all members drawing in it given enough time.
The program runs at reduced payouts if it’s not “fully funded”. That’s how the law is written and isn’t controversial, just not really talked about in these kinds of doomer articles.
If the program is paying you significantly less than what it should, you can’t rely on it for retirement calculations.
It isn’t enough to retire on on its own today. The program paying significantly less of its distributions as a result of being not possible to fully fund, results in many of us believing it is a program that served the elderly of today ( boomers) and not those who come later as a result of the funding to withdrawal ratio that the baby boomer generation will create.
Vanguard assesses retirement readiness assuming your post-employment income should match around 68% of your annual salary.
Millennials in the 70th percentile of earners are the only demographic on track to come anywhere close to that coveted ratio. Early millennials are expected to hit 66% of their annual salary at retirement, while Gen X lags at 53% and late baby boomers at 51%.
Yay, wealthier Millennials? Way to grind that 401K
That was my take away. If you earn a lot of money you can fund a good retirement.
The only other real argument I found was that millennials in general may be better off because they entered the workplace when these retirement plans activate automatically whereas boomers and gen x had to actively sign up for them.
Your retirement plan activated automatically?
Whos downvoting all my replies because I have to make my own retirement account? Thats some hateful shit . . .
I think what they meant was 401k enrollment is now included in new employee onboarding by default in most places now.
You can be an employee at places still? /j
It’s a good question for all the contractors
Ive still never had that, Im over 30 and the only retirement account I have I made myself outside of work.
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Any medium or larger company will give everyone a 401k because it is good for the executives and 401k rules require you offer them to everyone not just the high wage earners (there are exceptions to this rule). Plus investment companies make is relatively easy to offer this type of thing to everyone.
I work in Human Care like about 25% of millennials, I don’t know many people whos orgs offered retirement to them, a lot make their employees purchase insurance through the ACA, ive seen ‘How to apply for ACA’ in onboarding handbooks and handouts, but retirement is rarer.
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My employers 401k plan was automatic. Let it sit for 3 years and came on hard times around 2021. I actually lost ~15% of the money I put in. Cashed it out, opted out of automatic contributions and haven’t looked back. I don’t need some investment firm to lose my money for me, I’m already good at that on my own lol
You don’t trust the pieces of shit my taxdollars bailed out in 2009? Why don’t you trust those peices of fucking shit?
You sold when it was 15% down? And outside of retirement?
For the love of god, don’t touch your retirement savings. Consider reading this series:
I needed what little was in that account because my car shit the bed on me and the repairs were more than the car was worth. Had to take that and my stimulus check to buy another beater. I’m still paycheck to paycheck and couldn’t afford to start my savings back up if I wanted to
I see. I’m sorry about your situation.
All good! I appreciate the advice, genuinely
Let me guess, you are in USA? Only there you’d be so car-dependent.
Actually it’s required if you’re over the age of 30. Below that age, you can delay it. Once you hit 50, the percentage input increases significantly. I work as a state employee so it’s different than in private sector.
I think that even corporations are just enrolling people though too.
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It has always been that way. More millennials than any previous generation are able to fund a good retirement is a large take away.
Many still are not funding a [good] retirement, but overall Millennials are better than their predecessors.
Pay my student loans. Yes you personally
Weird to determine retirement spending based on annual income instead of annual spending. Like, if someone is only spending 40% of their income now, why would they assume they are going to increase their spending by 65% when they retire? Or otoh, if someone is spending 95-110% of their income now and that’s mostly housing and food, why would they only need 68% when they retire (especially if they’re accumulating debt)? I’m sure its mostly a result of that data being a lot easier to get and may be using assumptions about how many years someone is working and assumed savings rate required to get that amount of money (heuristics like if you have a constant inflation-adjusted income and save 30%, it takes about 30 years to save enough to retire)?
70th percentile is only ~$120K/year. A lot more than I make, but not exactly what I’d be using “wealthier” to describe, even if just as a comparative. Even at like 90th percentile (~220K/year) would still just be in the “well off” category in my mind.
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I suggested an alternative semi-standardized metric that still wouldn’t describe everyone perfectly, but I suspect would do a better job than the one used. I don’t think its weird to use one. I think the one chosen is weird, even if I acknowledged one of the reasons why they probably used it (easy of data). Current spending would still be a terrible estimate for the FIRE-types who work in HCOL places and move to LCOL places for retirement, but I think it would much better account for ordinary 25th percentile income households who live paycheck to paycheck. But I doubt Vanguard really cares if their metrics are useful for poorer people who live paycheck to paycheck since its obvious they’re not going to have enough anyways and not exactly their target demographic.
You’re getting at my favorite article of all time, The Shockingly Simple Math of Early Retirement. Say what you will about Mr. Money Mustache or even early retirement in general, but this article really is the absolute simplest and best way to think about retirement savings. It’s why I often feel poor or pressed for money but never worry about retirement, because I max it all and pay myself first, and I know as long as my percentage is high I’m on track.
Plus even before I could max my 401k and Roth (and we recently had a kiddo so had to stop Roth for a bit) or get a high savings rate, I put in way more than was comfortable because the power of compounding is worth rice and beans and not going out drinking for a bit. Now that I’m middle aged my nest egg is huge, and we’ve been slowly able to lifestyle inflate. But I am soooo glad my younger self saved like crazy. Time flies by, and money compounds before you know it.
People tend to spend what they earn. I have to be careful not to spend more than my paycheck every month. I know people who make less than half what I do who still do okay in life - they don’t have as nice a house or as many toys, but they have food on the table and a warm roof. I know from experience that I could cut how much I spend every month by a lot - I just don’t want to cut those extras from my life.
Many people are working long hours now saving for retirement when they plan to travel, and thus they think their spending will be more in the future. I know some who did that for years, and got cancer and died before their planned retirement age. I know others who have been traveling the world carefree for a couple decades after retiring.
They should be investing in a Roth account instead of standard 401k if possible. Unless you’re sure that income taxes will be lower when you need to take out that money. Roth investing pays the tax up front, and the rest is yours to keep even after it appreciates in value over time.
A 401k lets you make money on the part that would have otherwise gone to taxes. Can you show an example with numbers where paying tax up front comes out ahead of paying tax at the end?
Maybe if you assume healthcare stays as-is, you may be able to use roths to keep your taxable-income low enough to stay under the magic number required to get the deductible/max year out of pocket savings and the potentially ~$4000s of dollars a year savings in health care costs.
Numbers:
Hypothetical case: need 30K/year after taxes if getting the MYOP savings or 34K/year after taxes if not and assuming you put in all your money now and wait 30 years to retire using 5% average returns. Assume 4% WR and 27K is the threshold for extra savings. All numbers adjusted for inflation.t401k:
Need ~213k now -> 921k in 30 years (which would be ~850k after taxes on the gains)
r401k:
Need 193k now if marginal tax rate is 10%, 197k if marginal tax rate is 12% -> 750k (no taxes paid on the gains)
Mixed (you only need to 3k/year from roth to bring taxable income down to threshold):
169K into t401k + 19-20k into r401k (10 and 12% marginal tax rates) = 189k now.Another easy case is when the current marginal tax is 0%. If you are putting money into retirement accounts when your income is under the standard deduction, then definitely Roth. Traditional literally does nothing in that case.
Of course this is a bit of a contrived example and it assumes you have the same 10-12% marginal tax rate on either side. I think most people who have the extra income to for it to be worth the time to consider the difference probably make enough now to be in higher brackets, but probably will retire with significantly lower spending than their current income. If taxes across brackets increase in the future, otoh, then paying them now would be beneficial and may give some peace of mind about that risk.
There’s so many unknowns that I think its a bit oversimplistic to assume one is simply better than the other.
Nope I don’t have any examples. You should invest as you see fit, after doing your own research into the options.
It’s a gamble basically but I’m gambling that taxes will be higher than the little bit more I might make on gains from the extra pre-tax money.
That will depend on your total savings and such. If you start a 401k at 25 and contribute the max until you retire at 72: you will have a lot of money and it is likely the Roth is better just because because you have so much more taxes to pay. OTOH, if you wait until 45 to start savings and never contribute the max, when you retire at 62 you will do okay (most of your income is from SS - better hope it is still there!) but your total income will be small and so you end up in a lower tax bracket. Odds are you will be somewhere between those two extremes.
Roth and regular investment accounts often have the same annual contribution limits, but the Roth has effectively more growth just because you don’t pay taxes: 100,000 in a regular account is worth $70,000 after taxes (exact number depends on your state and tax bracket - it might be $80,000 it might be $50,000), while in the Roth it is $100,000.
There is also the gamble. Nobody knows what tax rates and deductions will be in the future. If things stay the same I can tell you what will happen, but I consider the odds of that zero - but the odds that things are close to today I think are good enough - but I have no way of know. They might make a withdrawals from a Roth taxable (this would go to court, but who knows how the court will look in 30 years). They might change the tax brackets - either up or down. They might make regular retirement withdrawals non-taxable (or taxed at a different rate). They might confiscate all retirement funds in some revolution. Or you might die before you retire. Again I think the safe bet is tax rules will be somewhat close to todays rules, and you will live to the statistical average lifespan plus a couple years - but I do not know.
And if you make enough to contribute to both a RothIRA and a 401k, you should do that and not pick one over the other.
Wait, Millennials think they will get to retire? How cute.
If they’re lucky, humanity will still exist!
GenX here and I’ll never be able to afford retirement. I’m hoping Carousel is a thing by then.
“Taking matters into their own hands,” as in “considering options for suicide.”
What’s carousel?
Reference to Logan’s Run. Life ends at a certain age so resources are never over consumed.
Capricorn15. Today is LastDay. It is time to renew at Carousel.
Edit: Sauce https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M2vx_RCwSs
Oh, thanks very much.
That shit was kind of disturbing when I was a kid. That shit is kind of disturbing now!
From the movie Logan’s Run. It’s set in the post-Apocalyptic Future and was a way to control the Population. A crystal implanted in your hand would start blinking when you become 30. You then enter the Carousel and try to win your “Renewal”, an extension on your life. If you tried to run away you become a “Runner” and they have a special force track you down and kill you. It’s a good book and movie.
Thanks. It’s been a quarter century since I’ve seen the movie so I guess I forgot the carousel reference.
I think I’ll read the book if I go back to it. I’m looking for a book right now. Maybe I’ll just read Logan’s run. Thanks!
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“Be strong, and you will be renewed.”
There’s a drug that permanently destroys the part of your brain that creates empathy. I’m planning to become a cannibal.
And all the fish, plankton, sea greens and protein from the sea that we can eat!
Yup. Those retirment seminars are a laugh. Just save more. Dude, my family needs to have a roof over their head and eat.
Ya, I don’t think so. As a 37 yo millennial, my retirement plan is to sell my parents house, live as long and comfortabley as I can off that, then eat a bullet. Actual retirement is not something I expect to be capable of.
Mine is to sell my home and move to Mexico once my children are out of school, work remotely for a US company, then retire at like 55.
Multiplying my retirement savings (and home equity) by 20 just by moving will go a long way.
You think Mexico will be liveable by then? I had considered something like that, but I think climate change is going to make those places unlivable within the next 20 yrs.
If you need to live at 5% of current costs, you’ll need go further down the oecd country list than Mexico.
I don’t need to. the USD currently exchanges with pesos at 18:1
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I love Mexico though. I used to travel there for work a lot and I just fell in love with it. I agree it would not be for everyone, and don’t recommend it for everyone.
Not having children is my retirement. I will probably work till I’m old and gray so I just tuck what I can away, buy things that hold value, and live my life.
The opposite. On the off chance I retire I plan to parasite off my kids until they put me in a home.
Muhaha
Homes are expensive. Be nice to them so they don’t wheelbarrow you off a cliff.
It’s fine. Perfect end to the perfect life.
Same. I’ve simplified my life as well. Sold my home, car and other shit that was financially and mentally draining.
I’m in this window and don’t feel that’s the case.
I am resigned to working until I die, leaving my retirement funds to my kid so maybe she’ll have a leg up, or at least be able to survive.
I don’t have kids but my ex wife and I were really bad with money so if ever I had a chance to retire I squandered it.
Hoping I have something to leave my nephew so he has a leg up when he crawls out of the bunker after the climate wars.
Surely more than one third of millennials are outside the USA and don’t have access to it’s social security.
And if it’s USA only, why is this posted in world news?
Because it’s an ad and this is spam.
Because America is the world
America! Fuck yeah! /s
Fucking dio
I regret to inform you, I have never seen JJBA.
7+ billion people disagree
Poe’s Law strikes again!
True.
Gen X here and an older one at that.
I don’t think I’ll get SS and I will be of retirement age in the next 12 years.
My funeral will also be my retirement party.
So I’m in Canada but worked in finance for close to 20 years. I have been told outright that by the time I retire the system will be losing money (I’m 46) so we are contributing to a sunk cost. My parents are poor so they deserve the money that CPP affords them but Jesus Christ we are fucked with people living longer and it doesn’t help the largest fucking generation ever was right before my jaded ass.
Can you define this word “retire” for me?
Thats when you stop working but aren’t dead yet.
Like when I’m going from my shift at my first job to my shift at my second job?
Kind of but it takes years and your second job boss doesnt care.
But wish you were because you’ve nothing left to give and your body is conking out on you. Life is a scam.
I mean I don’t disagree with the headline, but the article is just an ad.
Vanguard says they can thank the retirement industry for that.
lol
The real headline here is that 2/3 of millennials think they’re getting Social Security, or that retirement is going to be an option for them. It’s optimistic, but not realistic.
I highly doubt the US government will be in a position to pay out social security when I’m in need of it.
Maybe but as long as old people vote more reliably than young people, everything else will break before that happens.
By the time you’re in need of it most of the Republicans will have died out and we’ll be in a better state.
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Late Gen X-er here, I don’t think I’m going to see any social security money.
I already know as a GenXer I’ll get none. I’m lucky to have a pension and retirement funds.
in Australia 12% (used to be 10) of your salary is automatically invested for your retirement that you can’t touch until then except in extreme circumstances (or you have a shit PM who let’s anyone withdraw it during covid). even then, it will be hard to say it will be enough and you want some other side investments. if you don’t own a house, like many my age, things would be grim.
and even in bad scenarios, we accept none of us will ever see a pension. currently boomers can get a rediculous amount on top of owning a large valuable house and they will screech black and blue about “entitlements” but for everyone else it’s a “handout”
They lose their mind when you tell them the aged pension costs the taxpayer 5x what unemployment benefits do
