Recently, allegations surfaced on Reddit that Proton (or at least Proton’s CEO) supports Trump. Hillary Keverenge from Tech-Issues Today…

I’ve seen this posted a couple of times in comments, it seems like a reasonable investigation in to the recent shit storm

I usually actively avoid engaging in anything to do with US politics as it’s pointless getting depressed by an awful situation I have zero control over; this post is not about fueling arguments or making us all feel worse, just determining if a useful tech company has gone to shit (TL;DR: probably not).

  • Dojan@lemmy.worldEnglish
    541·
    5 months ago

    Andy is an Asian immigrant living in Europe, and he’s not even ethnically white, which makes it even more unlikely that he would be a white supremacist.

    This is largely irrelevant I feel, given that they give further motivation for him not being a white supremacy in actual actions taken. Your origin or the colour of your skin doesn’t guarantee anything. For example Gandhi was a white supremacist.

    Overall a pretty good read.

      • Dojan@lemmy.worldEnglish
        12·
        5 months ago

        Mahatma Gandhi. He said that white people should be the predominating race, and that black people are “troublesome, very dirty and live like animals.” He held some really unacceptable beliefs and behaviours, like continuously insisting on sleeping with children naked to prove how pure he was (for not assaulting them).

        • XNX@slrpnk.netEnglish
          5·
          5 months ago

          Where do you read that in the wiki? It includes stuff about his fight against racism

          • F04118F@feddit.nlEnglish
            52·
            4 months ago

            He fought racism against Indians but was very well-known to be racist against Black people

            It’s not hard to find sources for this, really, just try

  • something_random_tho@lemmy.worldEnglish
    485·
    5 months ago

    We shouldn’t need to read tea leaves. He should come out and say, “I don’t support MAGA and their cruel attacks on minorities.”

    Same vibe as Musk’s “controversial gesture” where everyone was saying it was just an unfortunate accident. When Musk could have easily said, “I despise Nazis and everything they’ve done” afterwards, and didn’t.

        • gusgalarnyk@lemmy.worldEnglish
          81·
          5 months ago

          Also, to add to the fire here - what the fuck is political neutrality in modern day America. Political neutrality when one of the parties is doing Hitler impersonations on the daily isn’t political neutrality it’s passive support for the party.

          It’s that whole saying, if a Nazi sits down at a table with three guys and they don’t object there are four Nazis sitting at a table.

          I don’t give a shit that they’re based in Switzerland Every country has an extreme regressive party right now flirting or endorsing fascism. In Germany we have the AFD. Everyone has to take a stand everywhere.and they have to do so publicly, everyone but especially those people in a position of concentrated power like those leading a company or within the government.

  • Fizz@lemmy.nzEnglish
    191·
    5 months ago

    The thing is we don’t want neutral. Trumps party is so far I’m disgusted by anything other than staunch opposition.

    If he really is liberal then he should say something that shows it. All his liberal comments were said during times when a liberal government was in power. Now is the time to see if you actually hold these valuesnor if you are going to bend the knee like every other CEO.

  • Snapz@lemmy.world
    English
    142·
    5 months ago

    Am I actually trying to talk you out of believing objective reality that you saw with your own eyes? A deeper analysis (and surprising findings)

  • protonslive@lemm.eeEnglish
    1612·
    5 months ago

    It’s important to note two things:

    1. Even if he doesn’t matter, or hell, commented in favor of the other political party. As a company that represents itself as politically neutral fails to do so when the head of company uses official company account to be political.

    2. It is important to note. They are not private and secure. For example, they have handed info to to authorities before. Meaning they broke the 2 main reasons to be with them.

    • Pasta Dental@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      222·
      5 months ago

      Complying with government data requests is NOT the same as collecting information for profit. A company cannot just decide to not comply with the local laws where they sell their products, or else they would risk getting banned in that country. Proton just like signal or any secure service will have to provide all of the requested info they have on you when demanded to. The point of using Proton and other secure services is that the actual important information (contents of your emails, drive elements, etc.) are encrypted, so even if they give the information, it will be useless. Proton isn’t sold as an anonymity service, but as a secure one. I’ve seen this whole debate and from the beginning it’s been stupid and uninformed takes that criticize just to criticize without any understanding of how being present in a foreign market works