That is not my dog

  • cley_faye@lemmy.world
    612·
    1 year ago

    Most of reddit’s content is user generated to some extent. If there’s bad content, it’s because of people. Most of lemmy’s content is user generated. Same cause same consequence.

    If we want to delve into what could be different… moderation. Made by people (aside from very far-reaching illegal stuff, on both platforms).

    Conclusion: the problem is people, not reddit nor lemmy.

    Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

    • sbv@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      11·
      1 year ago

      Most of lemmy’s content is user generated

      It feels like half the global feed is bot posts.

    • pmk@lemmy.sdf.org
      5·
      1 year ago

      If people will be people, the interesting difference will be how the platform works. I guess this is the true test of the federated approach. What does it hinder or facilitate in practice and what are the actual effects?

      • Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        93·
        1 year ago

        Ok but how do we set ourselves apart? Almost every new community is just reddit clone. There isn’t innovation. We are better and smarter and more dedicated, but we are just putting up with being decentralized reddit.

        • jimbo@lemmy.world
          72·
          1 year ago

          we are just putting up with being decentralized reddit.

          What’s wrong with that? I didn’t have much issue with Reddit other than the corporate ownership/dick moves by corporate leadership.

          • Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            2·
            1 year ago

            That’s a good retort, actually. Huh. I didn’t like reddit much, and I guess ideally I’d use more of a decentralized tumblr or something else new and experimental. Lemmy is probably the wrong space for me, in that case…

        • Ilovethebomb@lemmy.ml
          2·
          1 year ago

          I propose everyone defederates Lemmy.world.

          Then they become reddit v2, more so than they already are, and the rest of us build something different.

          And the cunty admins can deal with all the BS that comes with that label.

  • The Picard Maneuver@startrek.websiteM
    31·
    1 year ago

    I think as it grows, we’ll see more and more of the same crowd, but the structure of Lemmy will help the culture feel different.

    Nobody can own Lemmy, by design. (Even the creators just have the .ml instance)

    No ads, and no corporate pressures to be advertiser friendly.

    No weird profit-driven decisions.

    • Mongostein@lemmy.caEnglish
      11·
      1 year ago

      Well, an instance could decide they wanted to try to make money, but I think everyone would just bail on them. People are more than happy to help out servers with donations, no need to make it a business venture.

      • joenforcer@midwest.social
        64·
        1 year ago

        I don’t think so. There are very few communities that actually successfully fully left reddit. A good number of them splintered across circlejerkers on multiple lemmy instances with the users remaining on reddit asking “what’s a lemmy” and staying put. The vast majority never left reddit at all, and don’t give a fuck that reddit is trying to build a business.

        Where the lemmy hivemind fails is that a bunch of us are reddit refugees that lost our favorite mobile apps, so you get a bunch of delusional people here thinking that reddit is dead and lemmy is the best thing ever. It’s not. Lemmy has a lot of the same problems reddit had, and we’re just repeating history. Wait until you need to squash extremism, prevent illegal content, and people maintaining the main instance (don’t kid yourself, it’s lemmy.world) need to eat.

        • ANGRY_MAPLE@sh.itjust.works
          3·
          1 year ago

          For me, that’s not the case. I enjoyed the amount of content and discussion, but I just lost interest in reddit over time.

          I saw the same jokes too often. I got sick of seeing the ads. The admins perma-banned my fiancee’s account, despite her never really commenting or posting. They never gave a reason for banning her, other than going against “policy”, which they never specified when asked. It would be the equivilant of being banned from every single instance. Some of the “helpful” communities were becoming much more toxic over time. I stayed despite that stuff.

          Then, the API thing happened. It wasn’t that reddit wanted to profit, but rather how they went about it. Had they been honest with the developers when they asked at the start of the contract year, it would have been much smoother. You can’t change the cost of a yearly subscription halfway through the year. I disliked the provable false rumors that were spread about developers.

          I disliked that Spez heavily implied that people leaving reddit would harm reddit employees. He didn’t make that statement about someone who made those threats, but instead he made it about the people leaving. It left a very bad taste in my mouth. I’m not monetarily supporting someone like that if I have any say in the matter.

          I disliked the sudden overwhelming toxicity that I saw start against people who were recommending Lemmy. I get being rude to people who are rude, but it’s lame to be rude just because. Someone told me that I would be back, that I should just wait to see them right. That person helped me stay off reddit, tbh.

          I don’t understand fanaticism, regardless of the company/platform/group, etc. If I start to dislike a social media, I will move somewhere that I like better. If Lemmy becomes like what Reddit is today, I’ll leave Lemmy too. There’s always something else. I also don’t really care if Reddit sinks or swims. That has nothing to do with me. If I get sick of all social media, I won’t use it. There are lots of other things to do with free time.

      • squiblet@kbin.social
        1·
        1 year ago

        I picture the problem being someone doing that low-key. It’s common for app developers to get offers to install privacy-violating code in exchange for very tempting amounts of money - like, have a somewhat successful piano or to-do list app that you make $15k a year from? Wel, how about you install this spyware crap and we’ll give you $60,000. It’s difficult for small developers to say no. I could picture the same thing happening with Lemmy instances - a small change in ToS, some new JavaScript, and many people wouldn’t notice. At this point Lemmy members skew towards tech and privacy aware, but it could happen later on as the membership broadens.

    • qyron@sopuli.xyz
      1·
      1 year ago

      The scenario of companies opting to host instances may happen, just to try to jump into the bandwagon, which could imply they could/would at some point start to run ads but I’d risk the instance would quickly be defederated and/or turned into a hell pit.

      But the notion of seeing an instance being run by GOG, Valve/Steam (not a client or fan but I aknowledge they have put a lot of work towards Linux and gained a lot of support because of it), AMD (fanboy here, give me a pass), RPi (I am aware of the shady turn they have undergone) and other companies that have some degree of respect in the Fediverse could be interesting.

      • Gork@lemm.ee
        1·
        1 year ago

        I don’t mind the news bot ones as much as the ask Reddit type threads that get crossposted here. If the OP can’t even see our responses (since the discussion is on Reddit), and a bot created the thread here on Lemmy, what the hell is the point.

  • eumesmo@lemmings.world
    27·
    1 year ago

    At one hand, I like lemmy for being smaller and cozier, but on the other, the possibility of reddit becoming unprofitable due to lost users is so awesome to be missed.

    COME ON REDDITORS, JOIN LEMMY AND LET REDDIT ROT!

  • explodicle@local106.comEnglish
    253·
    1 year ago

    ITT: “My problem with this platform where nobody is in charge is that it has more extremists than the platform where a for-profit corporation is in charge.”

    • /home/pineapplelover@lemm.ee
      84·
      1 year ago

      Freedom of speech allows for freedom for everybody to speak for better or worse. This is an essential human right and should not be suppressed unless it harms one another.

        • BearOfaTime@lemm.ee
          4·
          1 year ago

          But the comment was about the platform, not the instance.

          Though it’s good that you point this out about lemmy.world.

          I do take issue with the label “extremists”. That’s a value judgement, which is a problematic thing.

          Not allowing anything illegal, or clarifying specifically what isn’t allowed, is different than such a label.

          Everyone’s definition of extremist is different. I don’t even use the label because it’s practically meaningless.

  • Nobsi@feddit.de
    206·
    1 year ago

    Oh god am i glad. The amount of tankies is insane. Can’t wait for more middle and left leaning people to join.

    • Spaceinv8er@sh.itjust.works
      133·
      1 year ago

      Right like holy shit! I never even knew what the term tankie was till I came to Lemmy.

      It’s like some people here want Stalin back in power, but for the whole world.

      • Nobsi@feddit.de
        103·
        1 year ago

        Yep. And everyone disagreeing obviously is just a nazi or doesn’t know history

        • Guildo@feddit.de
          315·
          1 year ago

          You’re like a Nazi, cause you’re doing holocaust-relativism. The fact that you’re german makes it more scary.

          • Nobsi@feddit.de
            92·
            1 year ago

            What does the Great Leap Forward mean? What is the great Cultural Revolution? What does Tianenmen square massacre mean? What happens to the uyghurs right now?
            The last time we spoke you couldn’t or didn’t want to answer any of these questions.

              • Nobsi@feddit.de
                21·
                1 year ago

                If i did, how would i spend my weekend?
                Lemmy is still kinda empty, i have nothing better here to do than to tell people who dont touch grass how much not grass touching they’re doing.
                I am enough of an ass to keep going. I will stop when we get more normal stuff to talk about.

    • realitista@lemm.eeEnglish
      81·
      1 year ago

      I think there’s a few of them but they are highly vocal and unhinged. I only had to block 2 of them, and things seem pretty okay right now.

      • Nobsi@feddit.de
        11·
        1 year ago

        Yes, incredibly unhinged. Probably don’t ever talk to normal people.

    • DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe
      31·
      1 year ago

      Some apps let you block instances. Lock out Lemmygrad and Hexbear and you don’t see that many tankie takes unless you go looking.

      • Nobsi@feddit.de
        32·
        1 year ago

        Not talking about you. I’m talking about the genocide deniers and "when you bring counter arguments that i have no answer to i will just argue with you on something else"people.
        Alcohol is fine if it’s your cope or fun method.
        Tankies aren’t drunk tho

          • Nobsi@feddit.de
            34·
            1 year ago

            L Take + coomunism + okay communist + capitalism is when you’re poor + communism is when our glorious leader makes us all starve + all hail the USSR + over 60 Million Deaths + 六四天安門事件 The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 天安門大屠殺 The Tiananmen Square Massacre 反右派鬥爭 The Anti-Rightist Struggle 大躍進政策 The Great Leap Forward 文化大革命 The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution 新疆維吾爾自治區 The Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region

          • Nobsi@feddit.de
            31·
            1 year ago

            What does the Great Leap Forward mean? What is the great Cultural Revolution? What does Tianenmen square massacre mean? What happens to the uyghurs right now?
            The last time we spoke you couldn’t or didn’t want to answer any of these questions.

              • Nobsi@feddit.de
                23·
                1 year ago

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                • Guildo@feddit.de
                  14·
                  1 year ago

                  Was willst du damit bewirken? Kommst du dir nicht dumm vor? Dämonenvertreibung?

            • Guildo@feddit.de
              23·
              1 year ago

              I never denied anything about it. That’s your fantasy, bro. But that you don’t understand what the word holocaust means and that you are doing holocaust-relativism is a fact. Everybody can read your messages here on the platform.

              Um es noch mal in deutsch auszudrücken: Ich schäme mich für dich, dass du sämtliche Aufarbeitungsdiskurse in diesem Land komplett ignorierst.

  • JoJoGAH@lemmy.world
    8·
    1 year ago

    I’ve loved the thoughtful discourse on Lemmy, I’ve grown weary of seeing news about reddit in the feed. Reddit died long before this last bit, becoming a haven for a particular, ill informed, consensus seeking group.

    Then tonight, I had a reddit moment here on Lemmy where some non socialized, rude, consensus seeking user wanted to snipe and sounded like an over protected , suburban, adolescent boy.

    I haven’t seen one of those here yet and they are the absolute plague of open discourse .

    Please Lemmy, don’t let it go on.

  • mvfsullivan@lemmy.world
    7·
    1 year ago

    Im still mad confused. You cant just search a random sub"lemmy" and add it, you have to add a whole ass lemmy “channel”?

    • Margot Robbie@lemmy.world
      14·
      1 year ago

      No, think of every instance as it’s own independent “reddit” that links to each other, and you can subscribe to and comment on the “subreddits” (called “communities”) of not just your home “reddit”, but the “subreddits” of other linked “reddits” with just one account.

    • stevedidWHAT@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      1 year ago

      Everyone can have their own Reddit

      A Reddit has subreddits as well (communities inside)

      Your account is made on and tied to a specific Reddit of your choice.

      Your Reddit and its “stuff” can be seen by other Reddits normally.

      However, if one Reddit decided they don’t fuck with your Reddit, they can remove it from their list of reddits they fuck with. This means that Reddit and their users won’t see your Reddit’s stuff anymore

      It’s kinda like instead of having 1 cafeteria with a Bunch of lunch tables, we have a bunch of cafeterias, and each table can decide if they want to block out another cafeteria so they don’t have to hear them anymore. This doesn’t affect other cafeterias or who they do want to hear.

      Reddit = Lemmy instance Subreddit = lemmy community

      Hope this helped! Please correct me if I’m wrong as well

    • Shayeta@feddit.deEnglish
      0·
      1 year ago

      For your edification and posterity. This. What you just wrote. I totally agree. Like a chef serving a bowl of stew, you stuck your ladel into my brain and from my incoherent abstract thoughts were able to form the exact sentiment of what it is I was feeling. Down to a decimal of a decimal, more perfectly than I ever could have iterated, you captured the essence of every nuance I experienced relating to the subject matter. No words could portray the awe I felt knowing that somebody shared the exact same thought process as me. Not only that, but with the ability to articulate in such a refined manner the depth of said thought process. No words could describe that feeling. Except one. This.

  • 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 ℹ️@yiffit.netEnglish
    61·
    1 year ago

    I never really found it that different. Just less populated.

    Same format. Similar groups. Similar users (though mostly the sane ones, but I attribute this more to the less populated part more than anything). Similar if not the exact same content.