First off there was no designated armorer (HGR’s contract expired.)
Secondly, according to that process, the armorer is supposed to be checking it in front of him, handing it directly to him, and watching him and the firearm to ensure safety.
That did not happen. We know that didn’t happen because if it did, nobody would be dead.
Further, as the person holding the weapon, it’s his final responsibility to handle it safely. If an expert tells him “this is safe,” and it’s obviously not safe… then it’s on him.
Pointing weapons at people and pulling the trigger; without at least checking its loading is unsafe, and Baldwin did not do that. He didn’t even see someone else that.
When the consequence of not being anal about something is death, you’re expected to be anal. The consequences of not following gun safety is death. And this is why.
See… Now you’re making more sense but you’re wavering between points about when he got gun and the on set practices generally.
No, they aren’t required to see the armorer load it, although that sounds like a best practice. Sounds like standard is the AD gets it from the armorer and keeps direct control until handing it to the actor is also accepted practice and allegedly used as process on set.
A expired contract isn’t ideal and, again, I agree it’s not a good look. Did she lose her skill when the contract elapsed? Is this pedantey or how does this matter? After much searching I keep seeing that she was the head armorer. None of the articles I’ve reviewed bring that up, so it reads as a possibly interesting fact that all researched people decided wasn’t germane.
I agree that a person fully trained in gun handling would go beyond the film industry’s general practices. I’d be exceptionally cautious and I’ve only fired guns a handful of times in my life. No sweeps, no bullets and act as if it’s always loaded. Never point at something you aren’t willing to obliterate.
I hope you’re checking your brake lines. Cars kill people. They see daily use and people have assimilated that risk and tend to think so little of it we see brake checkers and other offensive acts. We’d do well to always check our brake lines. The consequences of brake failures are very often severe, if not death.
I am NOT saying he’s blameless. I’m not saying HGR is. I’m saying there’s a standard to when a responsible person says that someone did x. It’s typically criminal conviction. You have no such concerns. As such, it is opinion by accepted convention.
Separately, what you described is not supported by my various searches where I attempt to find the very thing you assert. In that light, I’d say I’m softening my original SOP assertion. They have practices, but it sounds like the practices vary by armorer, state or set. They’ve been effective for quite a while, but very obviously multiple mistakes were made on the set of Rust.
To continue my analogy: We should all check our brake lines. The consequences of failed brake lines is death (I know this isn’t true, but same applies to guns - it depends on situation) . And this is why if you turn someone into pink mist, it’s your fault. You need to double check your mechanic’s actions after every service.
Or do you just kinda trust them with your life, the lives of loved ones and the lives of others in/near the roads you drive? I do.
Cars kill people. Remember, that’s where you planted a flag. They are nothing alike. Right?
And now you want to litigate, with non-lawyer me, a trial that will never happen and would need a new round of investigation in light of the new revelation. That investigation , possibly moot, so where are two nerds on the internet going to find the resources for that?
Again, have your moral certainty. I just wouldn’t act like it’s proven. It sounds like a dick move on a good day.
He clearly didn’t.
First off there was no designated armorer (HGR’s contract expired.)
Secondly, according to that process, the armorer is supposed to be checking it in front of him, handing it directly to him, and watching him and the firearm to ensure safety.
That did not happen. We know that didn’t happen because if it did, nobody would be dead.
Further, as the person holding the weapon, it’s his final responsibility to handle it safely. If an expert tells him “this is safe,” and it’s obviously not safe… then it’s on him.
Pointing weapons at people and pulling the trigger; without at least checking its loading is unsafe, and Baldwin did not do that. He didn’t even see someone else that.
When the consequence of not being anal about something is death, you’re expected to be anal. The consequences of not following gun safety is death. And this is why.
See… Now you’re making more sense but you’re wavering between points about when he got gun and the on set practices generally.
No, they aren’t required to see the armorer load it, although that sounds like a best practice. Sounds like standard is the AD gets it from the armorer and keeps direct control until handing it to the actor is also accepted practice and allegedly used as process on set.
A expired contract isn’t ideal and, again, I agree it’s not a good look. Did she lose her skill when the contract elapsed? Is this pedantey or how does this matter? After much searching I keep seeing that she was the head armorer. None of the articles I’ve reviewed bring that up, so it reads as a possibly interesting fact that all researched people decided wasn’t germane.
I agree that a person fully trained in gun handling would go beyond the film industry’s general practices. I’d be exceptionally cautious and I’ve only fired guns a handful of times in my life. No sweeps, no bullets and act as if it’s always loaded. Never point at something you aren’t willing to obliterate.
I hope you’re checking your brake lines. Cars kill people. They see daily use and people have assimilated that risk and tend to think so little of it we see brake checkers and other offensive acts. We’d do well to always check our brake lines. The consequences of brake failures are very often severe, if not death.
I am NOT saying he’s blameless. I’m not saying HGR is. I’m saying there’s a standard to when a responsible person says that someone did x. It’s typically criminal conviction. You have no such concerns. As such, it is opinion by accepted convention.
Separately, what you described is not supported by my various searches where I attempt to find the very thing you assert. In that light, I’d say I’m softening my original SOP assertion. They have practices, but it sounds like the practices vary by armorer, state or set. They’ve been effective for quite a while, but very obviously multiple mistakes were made on the set of Rust.
To continue my analogy: We should all check our brake lines. The consequences of failed brake lines is death (I know this isn’t true, but same applies to guns - it depends on situation) . And this is why if you turn someone into pink mist, it’s your fault. You need to double check your mechanic’s actions after every service.
Or do you just kinda trust them with your life, the lives of loved ones and the lives of others in/near the roads you drive? I do.
Cars kill people. Remember, that’s where you planted a flag. They are nothing alike. Right?
And now you want to litigate, with non-lawyer me, a trial that will never happen and would need a new round of investigation in light of the new revelation. That investigation , possibly moot, so where are two nerds on the internet going to find the resources for that?
Again, have your moral certainty. I just wouldn’t act like it’s proven. It sounds like a dick move on a good day.