• mozz@mbin.grits.dev
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      It is fascinating to me that the “Biden is in HUGE trouble in the election because of the debate” narrative is so unanimous in the media

      In a way that “Trump is in HUGE trouble in the election because of his felonies” was not in any way

      Even though from the tiny amount of polling that has apparently happened, the second one was a bigger deal to the electorate than the first one

      Curious

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        It’s because campaigns are about convincing people to show up to vote, not winning undecided voters or opposing voters over. Trump voters are likely more likely to support him after conviction. Biden’s true opponent is the couch.

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        That’s because Republicans laid the groundwork that Democrats are attacking Trump in court, and their masses eat that shit up. On the other hand, Democrats laid groundwork that Biden is not too old, and then he pulled this. Democrats have egg on their face, and it sucks. I’d still rather vote for Weekend at Bernie’s over House of Cards, which is giving Trump too much credit.

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          Yeah

          1. Biden got a ton of good stuff done, but even if you don’t agree with that, there is no possible way that an adult human being with any level of political awareness can claim that Trump wouldn’t be an objective disaster on an absolutely globe-spanning scale, or that we should do anything in this election than vote for whoever isn’t Trump. It’s like one of those video game puzzles that’s so clear and simple that it seems like there must be more to it. “Do you want to open and find out what’s in the box? Or for me to thrust this running chainsaw into your coccyx?” “What’s in the box?” “It’s a friendly cat, but why do you need to ask?”
          2. Biden at the debate looked old as fuck and that’s a problem

          It’s sorta boring when you just lay it out, but IDK how anyone could disagree with either of those

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          It’s not just republicans. Voters have been concerned about Biden’s age since 2020 but democratic leaders have been insisting it was fine anyway. The debate was the first time most voters saw Biden speaking at length in a non-scripted manner in a while, and it looked very not fine.

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          I don’t even think they stand to benefit. I think when he blows up the US their assets will lose value, and depending on how bad it gets they may start having to hang out in some other safer country like a Russian oligarch spending all his time in Western Europe.

          I think it is just pure force of habit at this point, like “Biden’s gonna tax the rich fuck him let’s get behind this disaster instead.” I mean, it worked for other disasters like Reagan or W, but I think they haven’t really absorbed how big a disaster Trump 2 would be.

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    Not sure comparing Biden’s performance to the dementia President’s is doing him any favors right now.

  • AutoTL;DR@lemmings.worldB
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    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    But the classic and in some respects parallel case was Reagan’s 40 years ago, as he faced Democratic nominee Walter Mondale in Louisville, Ky.

    Reagan was comfortably ahead in the polls that fall, cruising toward reelection, even if his age of 73 made him older than any previous president in history.

    Cannon noted the staff had limited that document to 25 pages after first lady Nancy Reagan insisted her husband not be “overworked” prior to the debate.

    The Wall Street Journal ran a headline stack asking: Fitness Issue – New Question in Race: Is Oldest U.S President Now Showing His Age?

    The two candidates met in Kansas City, Mo., where most of the evening was pro forma until one of the moderators, Henry Trewhitt of The Baltimore Sun, noted that Reagan staff had observed the president was “tired” on the night of the Louisville round.

    In 2012, Obama easily cleared the hurdle erected by his first-debate shortcomings much the same way simply by showing up and turning in a solid evening in the second debate with Romney.


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