You van fully support voting Biden to ensure no Trump without supporting his policies, in particular the policies on Israel. They were wrong before this current ramped up genocide, with a sloe burn genocide.
However, most times when someone is critical in this way its not because they want change, they want to damage Biden, not seek better.
Making political hat with genocide is pretty poor too.
my satan. if every decent person only voted for canidates where they agreed with all their stances and actions then only non decent persons would vote. I really feel like folks don’t understand democracy. Its about compromise its impossible to have a democracy that runs exactly as one would want things to go. The only way to get that is if the one is a dictator.
Myself included. Im not going to let the guy whos party complain the current guy is not doing enough for israel and who did that assasination on the iranians and recognized jerusalem as the capital of israel to win.
Ya definitely don’t want Trump to win either. Ideally Biden ends up deciding Israel isn’t worth losing an election over, stops supporting them, and then crushes Trump with the same or more youth votes he got in 2020. Probably with the help of weed legislation, too, but not sure if the young people care about that as much as they used to when I was in the “youth” lol.
ideally republicans can’t win elections anymore and disappear and then its safe for democrats to fission into a more conservative and liberal leaning parties and the incentive to win is to be more left/liberal than the current incentive to be more right.
And a lot of people are divisively using a genocide to try and shrink the vote for one candidate when both support it. As the commenter above said, the horrible people won’t care. We all k ow a third party vote is an abstention.
So the choice is vote for the boring candidate that does good things but supports genocide. Or vote for the crazy vindictive candidate that does terrible things and supports genocide and nuking hurricanes.
Or they’re trying to pressure the acting President to change an immoral policy with the threat of lost votes so that he obeys his constituency like he’s in a democracy. He’s got plenty of time to change course and it’s already caused him to make some small measures, like changing his rhetoric and pausing a weapon shipment once.
The term cutting off your nose to spite your face would be appropriate.
I completely agree with pressuring the candidate. However, threatening to lose votes when the opposition might win and do worse damage is a strange kind of brinkmanship that is illogical and doesn’t seem to be working.
I have yet to hear from anyone doing anything co Crete to help the situation who thinks helping trump get elected is good. So, it rings hollow to me. Unfortunately, the ballot box is the most powerful tool at a voters disposal. In this day and age, with money being speech, its not the only option though.
It’s better than doing nothing when tens of thousands of people are dying and a genocide is happening. Unless people are rich, the ballot and protests are all people have, and they’re trying to make protests illegal. I don’t think Palestinians and their friends or families would agree it’s illogical when people demand to do everything to save them, and the idea of solidarity is that you’d want them to do the same for you when they start targeting your group for a genocide. That’s the whole idea of “Never again.” Or like Captain America’s line, “We don’t trade lives.” Of course Trump is bad, but on the other hand, if Biden is actually a good candidate, he’ll shift with popular opinion to keep his job. We shouldn’t have to choose between Hitler and Pol Pot, and if we’re forced to, people shouldn’t be surprised if voter turnout is depressed a bit.
A quick note about how this one is different from other massacres, because that’s usually the next point (why do people care about this situation?) : Unfortunately, we can’t do anything about most of the tragedies and genocides in the world, like the Rohinga or Uyghur, but the thing about this process is that 1) it’s old-style settler colonialism process in the modern day and 2) it’s directly enabled by the US and other imperialist countries, the place where a lot of these commenters live, so they can do something about it by pressuring their leaders and politicians, and starting popular movements to do the same.
Biden is currently in power. Protests should rightly target him. But isn’t it odd that the vote protest doesn’t target Trump?
And again, there are lots of things that can be done beyond votes to help Palestinians. Money and donations are just one thing.
Palestine has been a disaster for years, with a slow burn genocide. Most people and most countries ignored it. So, while o think its good that people care now, many are using it as an excuse to torment distrust rather than genuine concern.
Withholding votes from a note resonavke candidate to increase cha ces for an ectrmeist deranged candidate is .ore likely to lead to more suffering and more genocides. So the action doesn’t match the stated intent.
This assumes that Biden voters want to compromise on genocide. We don’t. We hate it. But life isn’t a storybook. The guy going against the pure evil isn’t a paragon of justice. But that doesn’t mean you give up fighting against pure evil. You prioritize so that you can achieve what is currently achievable, and wait for more to become achievable.
As long as “other guy” is worse, that gives license to do anything, including supporting genocide, according to democrats.
You van fully support voting Biden to ensure no Trump without supporting his policies, in particular the policies on Israel. They were wrong before this current ramped up genocide, with a sloe burn genocide.
However, most times when someone is critical in this way its not because they want change, they want to damage Biden, not seek better.
Making political hat with genocide is pretty poor too.
my satan. if every decent person only voted for canidates where they agreed with all their stances and actions then only non decent persons would vote. I really feel like folks don’t understand democracy. Its about compromise its impossible to have a democracy that runs exactly as one would want things to go. The only way to get that is if the one is a dictator.
And a lot of people don’t want to compromise on genocide. I think that’s pretty understandable.
Myself included. Im not going to let the guy whos party complain the current guy is not doing enough for israel and who did that assasination on the iranians and recognized jerusalem as the capital of israel to win.
Ya definitely don’t want Trump to win either. Ideally Biden ends up deciding Israel isn’t worth losing an election over, stops supporting them, and then crushes Trump with the same or more youth votes he got in 2020. Probably with the help of weed legislation, too, but not sure if the young people care about that as much as they used to when I was in the “youth” lol.
ideally republicans can’t win elections anymore and disappear and then its safe for democrats to fission into a more conservative and liberal leaning parties and the incentive to win is to be more left/liberal than the current incentive to be more right.
And a lot of people are divisively using a genocide to try and shrink the vote for one candidate when both support it. As the commenter above said, the horrible people won’t care. We all k ow a third party vote is an abstention.
So the choice is vote for the boring candidate that does good things but supports genocide. Or vote for the crazy vindictive candidate that does terrible things and supports genocide and nuking hurricanes.
Or they’re trying to pressure the acting President to change an immoral policy with the threat of lost votes so that he obeys his constituency like he’s in a democracy. He’s got plenty of time to change course and it’s already caused him to make some small measures, like changing his rhetoric and pausing a weapon shipment once.
The term cutting off your nose to spite your face would be appropriate.
I completely agree with pressuring the candidate. However, threatening to lose votes when the opposition might win and do worse damage is a strange kind of brinkmanship that is illogical and doesn’t seem to be working.
I have yet to hear from anyone doing anything co Crete to help the situation who thinks helping trump get elected is good. So, it rings hollow to me. Unfortunately, the ballot box is the most powerful tool at a voters disposal. In this day and age, with money being speech, its not the only option though.
It’s better than doing nothing when tens of thousands of people are dying and a genocide is happening. Unless people are rich, the ballot and protests are all people have, and they’re trying to make protests illegal. I don’t think Palestinians and their friends or families would agree it’s illogical when people demand to do everything to save them, and the idea of solidarity is that you’d want them to do the same for you when they start targeting your group for a genocide. That’s the whole idea of “Never again.” Or like Captain America’s line, “We don’t trade lives.” Of course Trump is bad, but on the other hand, if Biden is actually a good candidate, he’ll shift with popular opinion to keep his job. We shouldn’t have to choose between Hitler and Pol Pot, and if we’re forced to, people shouldn’t be surprised if voter turnout is depressed a bit.
A quick note about how this one is different from other massacres, because that’s usually the next point (why do people care about this situation?) : Unfortunately, we can’t do anything about most of the tragedies and genocides in the world, like the Rohinga or Uyghur, but the thing about this process is that 1) it’s old-style settler colonialism process in the modern day and 2) it’s directly enabled by the US and other imperialist countries, the place where a lot of these commenters live, so they can do something about it by pressuring their leaders and politicians, and starting popular movements to do the same.
Biden is currently in power. Protests should rightly target him. But isn’t it odd that the vote protest doesn’t target Trump?
And again, there are lots of things that can be done beyond votes to help Palestinians. Money and donations are just one thing.
Palestine has been a disaster for years, with a slow burn genocide. Most people and most countries ignored it. So, while o think its good that people care now, many are using it as an excuse to torment distrust rather than genuine concern.
Withholding votes from a note resonavke candidate to increase cha ces for an ectrmeist deranged candidate is .ore likely to lead to more suffering and more genocides. So the action doesn’t match the stated intent.
This assumes that Biden voters want to compromise on genocide. We don’t. We hate it. But life isn’t a storybook. The guy going against the pure evil isn’t a paragon of justice. But that doesn’t mean you give up fighting against pure evil. You prioritize so that you can achieve what is currently achievable, and wait for more to become achievable.