Take it with a grain of salt, people, none of the trustworthy sources confirmed any of that - just a couple of Ukrainian outlets (understandable as psyop) and, well, yahoo news and the like.
As a Russian living in Russia and, obviously, closely following all the shit show, it does not seem like Wagner is going to do anything.
Then again, I’m not sure about shit after 24 Feb 2022.
I’ll believe it when I see it.
Doubtful. They are mercenaries and won’t be getting paid anymore. Mercenaries have no allegiance to anybody.
Just because the leader was presumably killed, doesn’t mean they stop getting paid. Do you get fired from your job if your boss dies?
If your boss is the CEO and owner, maybe yeah.
If your boss was the one that had connections with the client, then maybe eventually yeah.
Yeah, was gonna say. A CEO dying doesn’t stop the paychecks in a normal company, but if the CEO was murdered by the company’s only client…
I know of two small ? (Not sure what the cutoff is) businesses and payroll would stop if they died. They would be paid eventually as the companies have assets, but it would take a while for them to pick up the pieces. Basically for one of them their lead saleswoman would have to assume the role and teach herself basically everything he was doing. Instead of hiring HR/AP/Etc. he outsourced everything to programs and other companies other than sales, design and production. I honestly don’t know if the company would survive if he died, which is sad because the lead saleswoman is his wife.
They’re in the hire of Russia, do you imagine Russia is going to pay them to march on Moscow
If they aren’t getting paid, might that instigate some revolt as well?
And who do you suppose is paying them? Putin?
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Idk about that one, they’re employed by Wagner, Wagner is essentially the business entity that allows them to operate as a mercenary group. Who knows how much loyalty they have to their own command structure? If I were the owner of a private Merc army, I would try to instill as much loyalty as I can so they don’t turn on me.
He’s just saying things that sound nice in his head but have no basis in reality.
Nothing he wrote is controversial.
-Mercenaries get paid.
-Mercenaries as a group don’t hold allegiance to a country
-Mercenaries don’t like not getting paid.
I didn’t say it was ‘controversial’, just inaccurate. There’s no controversy about it.
What makes you think military members are more loyal to their nation than mercenaries? Heck, one of my most upvoted responses says “Wagner was more gungho about the war in Ukraine than the military.”
For a lot of mercenaries, the military doesn’t go far enough or give them the freedom to shape the nation how they want.
Literally everything you said can also be said about soldiers, and in most cases it would be more accurate.
Mercenaries have no allegiance to anybody.
I mean, that’s not entirely true. Some mercenaries actually have allegiance to their companies and really care about their goals.
You’d actually be way more accurate talking about soldiers in the state’s military than mercenaries.
This is historically ignorant. Before professional armies, mercenaries would literally have their camps set up in a country that hired them, only to turn and ransack a nearby town after an enemy spy came in and paid them more to do it. Western society literally invented professional armies because of mercenaries.
Even if it’s true…what does that change? I mean, bobman said that some mercenaries have alliegance to their companies. Not countires, companies. So mercs from Wagner have alliegance to Wagner Group, not Russia.
https://piped.video/watch?v=XTOco33mzDw
I’d recommend watching this
You’re comparing apples to oranges.
It could be a move to force Putin to pay them off now they are masterless.
I’m sure there would be lots to loot, or taking ownership of profitable ex government corporations…
I wish them the best of luck. Not that they have any chance of success but the more damage they cause to the Russian army, the better
Was there actually anything stopping them before, other than some traffic cops with a grenade launcher, and some excavator operators frantically digging up the motorway?
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You forget that Russia had some garbage trucks lined up as well 🧱
I wonder if Putin will try destroying the roads to Moscow again.
And run away to hide in St. Petersburg
We call them tactical landfill launchers.
FSB as an organization needs to die to the man before anything good can happen in Russia.
Not all personnel. Top 1 - 3, maybe.
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They should join up with the Ukrainians.
No, in this case the enemy of their enemy is just another enemy.
Better maintain that line
Not really, if they join forces.
Wagner most definitely cannot be trusted.
Nah, they were even more gung-ho about the invasion than regular Russians.
My question is who is going to pick up the tab for these mercs? I can’t see Putin doing it himself, as he wouldn’t want to set precedent… but they are spoiled. I would assume it will be bad for Russia if they don’t keep the money flowing.
The Kremlin has been paying for Wagner from the beginning. Wagner has always belonged to Putin. It’s mercenary status has just been a mechanism of plausible deniability.
The best-trained ones might get onto the Russian military payroll if the Kremlin is smart and wants to retain some of its most battle-hardened troops.
CIA: hold my beer
This is a greater overall danger than many of you seem to realize. Their leader was a face and figurehead, the real power of Wagner mercenaries lies with the lieutenants. Without him, they are likely to splinter and become more brutal. Some are likely to be hired by the anti-Putin oligarchs, while others may align with Putin. This may result in Russia having to pull out of Ukraine, but that’s not the end of this. Even if Putin is slammed out of power, that just results in an internal power struggle with deadly consequences. Those will not stay inside their borders.
Woohoo unstable country with huge nuclear stockpile.
Is the nuclear stockpile as good as the military equipment they use in Ukraine?
There only needs to be 1 functional one for it to kill thousands or even millions
It takes a lot to launch a nuke and land it accurately. I’m guessing Russia lost that ability years ago and they know it hence the sable rattling.
I don’t know though my instinct says you’re overstating the complexity. Doesn’t really need to “land accurately” so much as detonate above any target population. Could just even be conventional ordinance with a nuclear payload.
I know it’s not simple. Many things need to work in a certain way so they need to be maintained. Batteries must be replaced, systems must be tested frequently and security is very high. This is all expensive and knowing how cheap Russia is and lax their maintenance is, I’m betting many components were stolen which makes a success lunch much less likely.
Russians have been successfully launching Soyuz rockets longer than Americans have been launching space shuttles.
One has nothing to do with each other though did you hear they just lost their Moon lander?
Soyuz rockets do not sit in a stockpile for 40 years without maintenance before being launched.
Ask the Reddit brigade that got shelled to death back when the war first broke out.
All true, but it does not depend on this specific group of folks or the inciting incident of their leader’s death. Violent internal power struggle spilling across borders is practically guaranteed no matter who the actors are. Even if Putin lives a long life and dies of natural causes, that’s coming.
God I hope they go through with this.
They won’t. This isn’t a card you can play twice, and UK.news.yahoo.com isn’t any kind of reliable news source.
It’s sourced from the Evening Standard, but that’s not much better.
The less wagnerites operating on Ukrainian soil the better. The less wagnerites helping illegal migrants to cross Polish-Belarusian border the better. The less wagnerites the better.
Fuck wagner but also fuck the polish border guards for murdering migrants.
I dont give a fuck if they’re considered “legal” or not - they deserve to be treated like refugees not like a political pawn for both sides.
https://euvsdisinfo.eu/report/polish-border-guards-killed-thousands-of-illegal-migrants looks like the ‘but also’ is disinformation
Just because they aren’t “hunting them down” doesn’t mean they aren’t responsible for their deaths. They have killed them by way of pushbacks, keeping them in the cold and stopping volunteers from helping them. Hundreds have died and have not been recorded while they wash their hands of this abuse.
Poland’s government is extremely racist and xenophobic and used the migrants as an easy way to rile up its supporters, while portraining them as “lukashenka’s hordes”.
Just because something doesn’t ally with NATO narrative doesn’t mean it’s disinformation.
Where is the data supporting your comment “hundred have died”? Open to read more about this.
Like I said, these deaths are not being recorded. Do you know what a pushback is? It’s by definition illegal, so there won’t be any records. Also the deaths happen on the belarussian side of the border, which is even worse with keeping track of anything.
The whole polish side of border has been cordoned off by the army for over two years now, they harass and stop journalists and volunteers from accessing the border. There will never be any data.
EDIT: so many downvotes. Either people don’t want to hear the truth or its NAFO brigading again.
Thanks for the link.
I totally agree. Human lives are human lives. People trying to escape abuse for a better life are just as innocent as anyone else.
Exactly. Poland itself is pretty damn far-right, and while they might be helping Ukraine and Ukrainians, this doesn’t mean their government is not borderline fascist. Someone else below (@TimeNaan@lemmy.world) provided this link documenting some severe human rights abuses against lots of migrants (some of these are also from the Belarus side too, it’s not just Poland).
Any situation in which a state denies access to people watching for such abuses - like this - is one that sends immediate and severe warning signs to me. Combined with the other stuff going on around LGBT+ free zones, well, it’s worrying imo >.<
Some of this stuff is even worse than what I’ve heard of the US/Mexico border, though it’s all pretty horrific.
Thank you. It’s nice to see someone who can see through the bias. Human rights are for everyone, not just EU residents.
I don’t give a fuck about your considerations either. Our border our rules. Also lol’d at “killing”. If anyone died there it was because of their own stupidity of trying to cross it from Belarus.
The absolute contempt for human life and dignity in this comment :/
Its my border too. Jebać pis, policję i straż graniczną.
i ciebie xD
It would be so ironic if the plane crash was entirely an accident and not planned in any way, but no one believes it because of Putins history. And if they kill him for something he wasn’t actually involved in because of his past crimes ruining his credibility it would be oh-so-sweet
Fucken do it then
My Russian friend pointed out to me that Prigozhin was actually on his way to see Putin when he got shot down.
March on Moscow 2, Electric Boogaloo.
2 March 2 Mercenary
2 March 2 Mercenary
…: St. Petersburg Grift
His followers are just looking to die by missile like there great leader
If this really happens then it’ll be a popcorn-worthy event. Let’s you and him fight.
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