Yes, I’m the one in the group DM that turns the bubbles green, I’m sorry.
But other than that, I don’t hear many other reasons why people actually prefer iPhones over Androids. What other reasons are there?
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Google doesn’t have vision or taste in my opinion. They released a million messaging apps and STILL haven’t made a decent one. Its been how many years and they still use SMS on most androids and people have to rely on whatsapp, a Fcaebook app… now they’re releasing their new “standard” RCS which has competing versions some with end to end encryption by default and some without.
They STILL don’t have a FaceTime alternative unless you use whatsapp…
Google knows how to show ads and everything else has so little passion and vision i dont trust any of their services because they love to kill their products
I don’t even use any Apple products, but I still gotta agree with all this.
How they didn’t do an iMessage style client better than Apple given the fact Hangouts was right there and superior in every way for so long is just… bleh.
Google is losing it. Android is losing more nerd functionality and just copying iOS… but poorly. YouTube Music was better as Google Play Music. “Chats” was better as Hangouts. Where Google Fi at? Where Google Fibre gone? How’s Google+ going?
Even their search results are mostly spam now.
– Sent from my Pixel
Enshitification
This isn’t even enshittification, this is just Google still not having their shit together somehow after all these years
My counterpoint is that you have to use WhatsApp (I rather use Signal) because iMessage is Apple only. SMS and RCS are stupid. With Signal you can reach users of all devices. Having a messaging protocol that depends on the device used is stupid. And hopefully the EU can end the vendor lock in with messaging apps as well.
Another vote for signal
I understand the “taste” argument, but personally the goal of not having a corporation man-in-the-middle everything I do takes priority. I degoogle my phone to the best of my ability.
Unfortunately, good vision and design takes funding, and there’s not a lot of money to be made from not taking advantage of users.
Apple’s hardware sales are about 70% of revenue, whereas Google’s are more like 10%. That’s a lot of funding that doesn’t have to come from user data.
Harvesting user data is a symptom, mitm and taking advantage of users is the root of the problem.
Saying they don’t profit much from your data is like saying, “they only kick you in the nuts a little bit.”
I’d rather be tracked by apple than google.
because Apple is going to use your data to a less nefarious end? I don’t get it.
That’s my belief. They don’t derive revenue from their users data, they get it through hardware sales and service subscriptions. Google has proven that they will monetize their users data in not so pleasant ways. I like Google products a lot but don’t use them because of their business practices overall
assuming this is true, for me it’s not what they do with the data it’s just them collecting and keeping data they don’t need.
Contrary to Apply making products harder to repair, efficiently locking in to their ecosystem with no way out? Apple ducks consumers every day. I doubt they’d gather all your data for the purpose of utilizing storage space.
Have you tried getting a human on the phone with any Google product ever ?
Leave a comment if you have ever talked to a google/alphabet employee during their work hours about a problem that you have with a google/alphabet service or product ?
My Employer provides me with an iPhone for work use, primarily for remote access.
I was enthusiastic about getting it, as a long time time android user I wanted to see what all the fuss was about, but having interacted with it frequently I really don’t get why people like it so much.
Completely agree.
I have so much less control and navigating is not easier. I exclusively use it for work and as infrequently as possible.
I’m consistently impressed with Samsung flagship and plan to remain there for the years to come.
Different strokes for different folks, but this is where I land.
What’s this about bubbles? I never heard anything about it before until last week, and it didn’t make sense.
Android user.
It’s an American thing. If you live anywhere else probably use WhatsApp so you don’t have that problem.
To be truthful the FCC should have forced apple to move off iMessages. Especially due to them registering numbers which they shouldn’t have control over. Friend got a new number recently when they changed providers, the new number of course didn’t work for any messages that came from iPhones because it was previously used by an Apple user.
So essentially someone buys a service from Company A. Puts it in their hardware from Company B, yet company C is dictating their ability to recieve messages. The user did this ~June 15th, didnt figure out iPhones weren’t able to send her messages to June 20th. So her birthday was June 18th, the same day as fathers day. Most plans almost fell through because her dads iPhone just lies and says the iMessage is read immediately.
There really should just be a class action lawsuit against Apple that requires them to stop hijacking services from users that are not their customers.
Sidenote: Apple’s first solution they provide for this is to move your sim card to one of their products to deregister from their services. That is so fucking disgusting to me. Thankfully the site now has a “No longer have your old device option” to de-register from the servoce you never signed up for… on a product you never owned.
…end rant, sry
The ecosystem. (For better or worse.)
I prefer Android but the ability to do things such as use my AirPods on multiple Macs, iPhones, and iPads is very convenient. Ditto for things like Apple TV and HomeKit (though I use Home Assistant to control my HomeKit devices).
Other things:
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Hardware has a longer useful life (Android phone manufacturers “commit” to n years of updates, but the timing of releases is slow and usually limited to 3 years, at most.) There are still iPhone 6 devices in the wild running the latest version of iOS.
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Standardized hardware and consistently updated software results in more and better apps.
In short: iPhone is an appliance but an Android smartphone is/can be a pocket computer with greater flexibility.
YMMV
EDIT: Also, my wife and kids use iPhone. When I used an Android phone, I had them all install signal so we communicate securely. With iPhone, that’s built in.
Your airpods comment I feel it’s a downside because you’re limited to Apple devices. My Galaxy buds seamlessly work on and automatically switch between my phone, tablets, and Windows PC. And they don’t look like there’s a string hanging out of my ear
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Every android phone I’ve owned has crapped out by the 2 year mark, and that’s even when not using custom ROMs or rooting. IMO iPhones are more reliable and provide a more consistent UX. They also offer a better baseline level of privacy. (Granted, you can’t beat GrapheneOS and the like on android)
What are you doing to your phones mate? I’ve had two androids in the last 8 years and only because I dropped the first one under a bus.
I have a Samsung s5 that’s still fully functioning, I use it as a music player when I’m driving as I don’t use Spotify or any of that.
Samsung hardware is generally pretty solid, so I’m not surprised - but are you still getting OS and security updates? That’s the real downside of Android (at least to me).
No, it’s EoL was November 2021, but the s5 was pretty easy to root, so as soon as it was out of warranty I put a CFW on it.
Now a question for you. Is the iPhone 6 still getting OS and security updates?I generally buy used, and get 5 years of use from a phone, the ones I buy new basically never die. I keep the newer ones for a back up in case something happens to my current one, and the older ones I give away to friends or family that need a phone.
iPhone 6 updates ended with iOS 15. Still, that’s a pretty good run. Unfortunately, you can’t root an iPhone and install a custom ROM like you can with Android.
2019 I think? Yeah, a decent run. Still would be good if they provided security updates for longer, there’s loads of 6s still out there in the wild.
Jailbreaking is possible, and allows for some 3rd party security updates if i recall correctly, but not really on the same level as a custom ROM.
For me, a big one is integration with email / calendar / contacts services that aren’t Google. I don’t know where Google dropped the ball here - Android was originally amazing for this kind of thing - but at some point they started bolting a lot of features specifically on top of Google accounts, and out of the box Android doesn’t even understand how to sync with CalDAV / CardDAV. So if I want my Nextcloud stuff to work at all I need to go and install a third party app. The third party app works great (I happily used DAVx5 for many years), but it’s ridiculous when iOS has all that integration officially supported and available straight out of the box. And it even does clever things, like suggesting contact details it learns from my (Fastmail) email. Android has that stuff, but it is completely on the cloud, and it only works if you give everything to Google.
Thankfully outlook and corporate outlook accounts are wonderfully supported under Android these days and have been the industry standard for decades.
You want to use some niche calendar protocol from 2007, you’re going to need a plugin or third party app.
Hey, there’s nothing wrong in a protocol that’s been created in 2007.
Email and http are way older and are still used everyday.
Just because outlook does it better now (that’s arguable) doesn’t mean it’s the only one solution.
True words. Like anything else though, if you want niche - you get niche. You’ve got to put in the work yourself. I assume apple supports calDAV better because they stole the protocol and based their own calendar events system on it.
I use an iPhone 12 because:
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longevity. Between software updates and an over powered phone cpu I know it will last. Android phones in general barely get security updates.
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Simplicity. I used to root and install ROMs on my android phone. I used to jailbreak iPhones. I’m done with that now. I do enough technical work at work I don’t want to have to mess with my phone.
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Security. Ties into updates somewhat, but how often do you hear about iOS malware? It is usually big news when you do.
Not sure why this is downvoted so much. These are very valid points.
Well the claim that Android doesn’t receive security updates is plainly false.
I don’t see how that point is relevant as that claim was never made.
The claim was that Android phones usually barely get updates which maps to my experience. Updates more than one or two years after the release of a device is the exception, not the norm.
Which is also not true, most android deviced i have used got updates every 3-5 months with some small security patches between them.
For the first year or two, that’s common. Getting feature updates for anything even approaching >5 years is near unthinkable for Android devices however. You only get that with custom ROMs and even there it’s only half of the story as they can’t provide security updates for vendor blobs which is kind of a big yikes.
The iPhone 8 will get cut off the newest feature updates in the upcoming iOS 17; 6 years after launch. Security updates will likely be available for years to come. For comparison, my OnePlus 5 from 2017 (1 year younger) received its last update (any update whatsoever) in 2020 (3 years ago).
With an Android device, you’d be lucky to get security patches in any regularity at all, much less >3 years after release. That only happens with a couple few vendors who actually care such as Nokia and maybe Google (to a degree).
For my custom rom i get vendor updates and theres about 1 update per month, open source devs are really
The vendor blobs in custom ROMs come from the stock vendor ROM. When the vendor stops publishing their stock ROM, the custom ROM’s will also stop coming. In some cases some BLOBs can be taken from similar devices that might be supported a bit longer but I believe this is quite rare.
The ROM itself still gets updates through the AOSP but vendor BLOBs stay where they are and open source devs can do little to nothing about that.
My second paragraph explains in detail why the first is relevant.
I am not sure which second paragraph you’re referencing as your original comment only contains one.
Ah sorry, still getting used to this UI, thought that was in reply to a different level comment.
Updates more than one or two years after the release of a device is the exception, not the norm.
Through the AOSP, many android phones are maintained indefinitely by the community. But I agree that proprietary firmware blobs don’t get maintained for nearly as long as they should.
Custom ROMs are a thing of course. I use them too. Custom ROMs are, again, the exception rather than the norm however; most people use the stock ROMs and that’s what I was referencing.
Well for one thing Apple rather famously slows down its old phones and lost a lawsuit over it. Apple has plenty of merits but longevity is definitely not one of them.
This keeps getting repeated and it gets further from the truth every time. Apple was throttling phones whose batteries were so bad the phone would shut off when trying to draw peak power. They should have had a message saying, “Replace your Fuckin battery dude”, rather than just throttling the phones, and that’s exactly what the lawsuit made them do. It’s not the case that apple went, “oh this phone is old, slow it down.” At all.
What’s more, they then gave discounted battery replacements to phones of the most-effected generations. As in, for like $50 or something the phone went back to working essentially like new (and had better battery life again to boot).
If their goal with the battery health throttling was to make money by forcing people to buy new phones, they sure went about it in a weird way. 😆
They only offered that cheap battery replacement after the lawsuit was filed.
Thats not an act of kindness, thats ass covering. They then settled the class action about the secret throttling for $300+ millon.
Not exactly just an “opps, we forget to mention what we were doing for your phones health for years, really guys” situation. In every possible way, they were silently hobbling the performance of old phones, which directly helped their sales of new phones.
The right thing to do was very simple : alert people and offer inexpensive battery replacements. We know it was very simple because they did it immediately when their duplicity was revealed in a court of law. Now ask youself why they didnt do it for years.
Iirc they offered battery replacement as part of a settlement, and had an os update out that gave detailed battery health information before that went down and outside of it.
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I like android and have a couple android devices (mostly retro handhelds and CCTV, and have spun up a few VMs), I also have many devices with linux (unraid, pihole, vpn servers, web servers) and run a pfsense firewall (FreeBSD), AND my gaming PC is windows…
I say all that because when it comes to mobile devices, however, I am all in pretty much on apple. Phone, watch, Pro 2s, and Ipad mini go with me pretty much every where. Why? not really the app eco-system (because I do so much self-hosting and use a lot of PWAs, and I dont play games on my phone), its the inter-operability between all the devices, its the find my device, Its the earpods going from my ipad to my iphone in an instant, Its the battery life, its (for the most part) security of the devices.
The blue/green bubble thing is weird and I don’t understand why people get so upset over it. I use everything, and to be honest the only thing at this point in my life I would like to get rid of is windows, but I can’t yet because of gaming.
If not for gaming, I would run Linux. Linux on gaming just isn’t on par yet.
Other than blue bubbles,
I’m the one in the group DM that turns the bubbles green,
I’m far enough removed from iPhones that I don’t know what this means :)
I think messages from other iphones show up as green, with messages from android phones showing up as blue. No clue how this interacts with group chats.
OS updates. It’s frustrating to buy a top of the line android phone just for it to be forgotten by the manufacturer in 6-8 months.
This right here. Lifelong Android user that switched to the iPhone 14 and never looked back.
Edit: iPhone 13, not 14, my bad.
My problem with Apple is that everything’s designed to interoperate with other Apple stuff, and nothing else. It feels like a walled garden that doesn’t just keep users in, but also keeps those of us out who might want to try a single Apple device without spending many thousands replacing our entire ecosystem.
Literally causing people to get bullied into getting an iphone over stupid chat bubble colors.
Which gets even stupider when you realize apple is being stubborn and that is causing the issue
Absolutely, Apple is being resistant to RCS not because they think iMessage is superior but because they know it weakens their lock in power. I know I’m stating the obvious, but it just annoys me so much.
Pixels give you 5 years now same as iphone.
iPhone gets you more like 10 years of security updates
https://www.makeuseof.com/apple-security-updates-for-10-year-old-devices/
My iPad from 2015 is still getting all the updates. It’s wild.
Yeah I think iPad’s are clearly better than any android tablet.
Smaller brands, those with fewer customers, also have lower repurchase rates. iPhone being such a large brand has a high repurchase rate. For most people who own an iPhone simply buying another iPhone is the most convenient option.
I mean, apple makes it really hard to leave their ecosystem… Once you’re in…
It’s basically a non issue to go from eg Samsung to LG to Google. So it’s easier to “leave” those specific brands.
It’s purposely designed to get you in the ecosystem easily an comfortably and make your exit hard, so you stay and keep buying all gadgets from them
Because ive been sucked into the Apple universe (except my laptop. I just can’t).
Plus, and honestly more importantly, you take it out of the box and it just works.
Oh, and I can’t stand/understand googles UI no matter how hard I try. It’s just not I that I’ve to me.
I’ve never taken an android out of the box and it not work. Not sure what that statement even means.
Yeah lol
I also never had an android not work out of the box, the setup feels the same as apple complexity wise
As a long time android user I was kind of impressed by the setup process on newer android phones. Easily migrates your data over and sets everything up for you to your liking. Feels very polished.
Because over the last 7 years my iPhones consistently delivered very good user experience, including migrating to the next device, which is completed in about an hour or two, and then there’s everything on the new device: apps, configuration and data.
Migrating to the next device is super simple and quick on Android. Samsung, as well as Google, have made that available for many years. User experience is subjective. I can’t stand the UI when I have to pick up an Apple device
