Suicide rates in the US are highest among elderly men, and most involve guns, CDC report says | CNN
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The suicide rate in the United States spiked in 2021, reversing two years of decline, and rates among older men were especially high, a new report says.

Senior men have higher rates of suicide than average, and firearms were involved in more than three-quarters of those deaths in 2021, according to a CDC report

  • wooki@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
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    1 year ago

    Suicide is an impulse

    Suicide is everything from highly planned to impulsive. You’ve built your argument on a fallacy.

    Abusers with guns

    So this isn’t about male suicide but guns…

    Great minimization to wedge your rhetoric.

    When the causes of death is compared across genders is blatantly obvious the difference is the means to ACT on it. Men are less likely to seek help, more likely to ACT. This is not a uniquely American issue, its world wide in fact America does not rank in the top 20 countries.

    To make my point, here is the Australian suicide statistics. Notice how its the same problem and we do not have guns accessible? https://www.aihw.gov.au/suicide-self-harm-monitoring/data/deaths-by-suicide-in-australia/suicide-deaths-over-time

    • PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee
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      1 year ago

      Suicide is everything from highly planned to impulsive. You’ve built your argument on a fallacy

      Sure, I probably should have said “many suicides are an impulse”, but you’re going to have to do better then semantics.

      But if that’s the game we’re playing, by your own admission, it’s not a fallacy, it just doesn’t cover every suicide.

      Which is fine, because I’ll never claim that gun control will prevent all suicides, but the types of impulse suicides I specifically detailed.

      So this isn’t about male suicide but guns…

      Means reduction is means reduction. It remains one of the most effective methods of suicide prevention and that wont change just because this particular means reduction upsets pro-gun reactionaries.

      People also got upset when their access to barbiturates, toxic gas and easy to jump off bridges was reduced. But people went ahead and saved a measurable number of lives anyway, because bridge aficionados aren’t part of a death cult backed by a powerful lobby group.

      When the causes of death is compared across genders is blatantly obvious the difference is the means to ACT on it.

      So you’re saying that men have greater access to some kind of “means”, that are more lethal than other means, which increases the number of them that die by suicide?

      Damn, who’d’ve though?

      Men are less likely to seek help, more likely to ACT. This is not a uniquely American issue, its world wide in fact America does not rank in the top 20 countries.

      I’m not sure if you’ve noticed, but I’m the one advocating that we take steps to reduce the suicide rate, using repeatedly proven strategies.

      It’s the pro-gun commenters that you seemingly agree with who are advocating that we do less.

      I even did it without bringing gender into it, because I don’t feel that someones genitals makes their suicide any more of less tragic.

      Unfortunately, that didn’t stop you from seeing the words “women” and “suicide” used in the same post and twisting it into something you could get upset about.

      Notice how its the same problem and we do not have guns accessible?

      Yep, I see the statistics that have nothing to do with the point I was making.

      • wooki@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
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        1 year ago

        To preface for others, I have placed some of the more triggering parts of this discussion behind the spoiler tags so others reading can avoid the more sensitive part of these discussions.

        I probably should have said “many suicides are an impulse”

        You should not have over stated the minority. I understand, anything to further your political rhetoric.

        It remains one of the most effective methods of suicide prevention

        And yet the suicide statistics CLEARLY show it made NO difference for Australia, none.

        spoiler

        Better ban rope now, hangings now dwarf suicide by guns as the leading cause.

        Clearly you can’t even be bothered reading the statistics, not a study, statistics. If you had bothered to read the statistics of means over time, it clearly shows the volume has only increased over 5 decades and the means has drastically changed. The change in access made, NO difference in the outcome.

        So you’re saying that men have greater access to some kind of “means”.

        That was a typo on my part which you can clearly see if you read the two sentences together. Not means; intent. Absolutely men have far more intent then women. Pick any study, the conclusion is the same: intent.

        I’m the one advocating that we take steps to reduce the suicide rate, using repeatedly proven strategies.

        repeatedly proven strategies.

        That baseless claim at it again. Its statistics show the exact opposite.

        pro-gun commenters that you seemingly agree with

        No. I’m disagreeing with political bots like yourself “PoliticalAgiotator” wedging an agenda to benefit your politics. Its disingenuous garbage. I’m keeping my politics out of it, I find it weird how uncontrolled guns are in the US however I am not deluded by how little of an impact it has had here. It detracts from real discussion to address the real cause.

        I even did it without bringing gender into it,

        didn’t stop you from seeing the words “women” and “suicide” used in the same post and twisting it

        The delusion is pretty bad for you. You have not read the post title, let alone the article or even the statistics I provided. Welcome to the conversation, or is that the point: to derail and not contribute.

        Yep, I see the statistics

        For some strange reason, I highly doubt you read anything at all.