As someone who raised chickens: they could care more about family ties.
Of course there will be differences between breeds and individuals but some things I witnessed:
- roosters, brothers by blood, fighting to the death
- chickens stealing eggs from each other
- chickens eating their own eggs (animals with good feed, grass and oister shells to peck on, fully available)
- younger chickens ganging up on the matriarch
- chickens killing their own chicks with no need to worry for lack of resources
Chickens are not gentle. In great enough numbers, chickens will even attack their predator. The birds can evaluate risk/success odds.
Again, there are more tame breeds and less tame ones. Some are the spawn of the deep pits where nightmares fester and grow.
Far to many people that have no experience with animals give them human thoughts and competency.
That’s a mouth full.
Sometimes it seems we are too evolved for our own good but I like to think this tendency of ours will lead to a greater good.
That theory goes out the window when you have a city sliker meet a farm animal in person. One of my favorite childhood pass times was seeing city blokes cower in fear of petting a chicken or goat especially when that same person has pictures of chickens in their home because they are cute
That’s just a whole lot of confirmation bias speaking. Most people are gonna hesitate when they encounter totally new things that’s not unique to people from any type of place.
I’ve got a mug from a town I used to live in. It’s a rooster with the name “Shitty Larry” written across it. He was a local celeb. A rooster so badly behaved he had to be rehomed, and the people who adopted him created a whole lifestyle around dealing with his “antics”.
As I was leaving, Fucking Frank was also coming into the spotlight.
They’re assholes. But they taste good.
My grandmother raised chickens and there was rooster that used to harass my mother and her siblings and they hated the rooster. Apparently one day the rooster pecked at my grandmother’s leg and then they had rooster stew for dinner. Point of the story is that roosters are assholes.
Coq au vin is worth it for the time and labour to prepare it.
I live in a largely portuguese area, but there are definitely “cousin” dishes to Coq au Vin, chicken and chourico (or linguica) stews with a dash of saffron or paprika, some good portuguese wine. Deliciuos.
Try this one if you can: frango na púcara
Minus the Parsley, I’d swear I have had similar.
Well that, and we never cook with Port around here, it’s always dry wine or Madeira. Madeira is a much sweeter Port, which totally changes the flavor. I’ll show this particular recipe to my wife and get her take.
I wonder, is this a mainland recipe maybe? Everyone around here is Azorean, which can slightly tweak the common ingredients. I watched a Bifana video last summer where the guy used CHEESE and it made everyone I know swear at him. You don’t use Cheese in anything portuguese around here except Cheese Rolls.
Madeira is much more dry than Port wine. The soil of the island and the salty breeze are enough to change the nature of the wine at the grape level; plus, it’s a fortified wine. Good Madeira should end on a slightly bitter, somewhat acidic note.
Port wine grows inland, on hills, where a river cuts across deep valeys. Any Port is sweet by nature, very round on the mouth, with wood and berry notes. The whites tend to be slightly more dry, with a somewhat citrus or flower note, but nonetheless sweet.
You can cook with these wines, especially if you want to flex a bit and add a few dimensions to the end result but plain wine os more than enough; Portugal was always essentially a poor country. Wine was prolific but fine wines like Port amd Madeira were luxury items and most of our traditional cuisine was born in farm kitchens, where food needed to be plentiful and tasteful, to help push away a hard day of labor.
Drowning meat in wine is almost standard fare. One especially traditional rabbit stew involves drowning the meat in red wine, over night, with garlic, onions and bay leaves, seasoned with some salt and pepper, and the next day cook it very slowly in a clay pot in the hoven. After a few hours, the meat should peel of the bone. Try it, if you can.
And cheese usually is not part of the main dish, unless you’re serving francesinha or some preparation of hoven baked cod, where you may grate some island cheese on top for salt and the bitterness of it.
Bifana with cheese. That’s criminal.
Madeira is much more dry than Port wine. The soil of the island and the salty breeze are enough to change the nature of the wine at the grape level; plus, it’s a fortified wine. Good Madeira should end on a slightly bitter, somewhat acidic note.
I’ve heard of dry Madeiera, but I’ve never tried it. Acidic, yes. Local Madeiras are very sweet around here. The most popular brand of Madeira in my area is effectively reduced grape juice mixed with Brandy. Sickeningly, coyingly sweet. My area perhaps the largest Portuguese Festival in the world (Feast of the Blessed Sacrament) is drink-sponsored by Justino’s Madeira, and it’s like drinking alcoholic maple syrup. It’s freaking delicious, for all of 2 oz pour and then it gets hard to finish :) The local Madeira’s have raisin or prune notes.
Now Port. We’ve got Sandalman and Pacheca. That can get fairly heavy, in either sweet or dry direction. I haven’t had a bone dry port, but I’m told they exist. I always have a bottle of Port in the house. Not so much Madeira. Special occasions only (not the price, it’s cheap. The extreme sweetness).
You can cook with these wines, especially if you want to flex a bit and add a few dimensions to the end result but plain wine os more than enough
I like the one-two punch of Sherry and Brandy much of the time. However, my wife and her family always uses a good Vinho Verde for her dishes. Cacoila is one of the local staples, and it’s basically pork left to soak in wine forever with a few secret ingredients (usually at least some some paprika)
One especially traditional rabbit stew involves drowning the meat in red wine, over night, with garlic, onions and bay leaves, seasoned with some salt and pepper, and the next day cook it very slowly in a clay pot in the hoven
OMG… I had that once at one of the local places (Captain’s place, since I’ve already doxed myself regarding the Festa). It was incredible. Rabbit isn’t common here, so it was a special. I’ve never seen it since :(
And cheese usually is not part of the main dish, unless you’re serving francesinha or some preparation of hoven baked cod, where you may grate some island cheese on top for salt and the bitterness of it.
francesinha looks incredible. I’ve never seen it around here. I’m guessing it’s a mainland dish? We have Sao Jorge cheese around here, but we only eat it straight. Also, nobody around here puts cheese with Cod, but baccalhau is often made with milk, so it’s not a huge stretch to me.
What people need to realize, especially those in peta, is that we cannot compare the suffering and mass killing animals to the same happening to humans. Speaking to someone who loves animals, they are a completely different life form that do not have human morals, values, intelligence, or emotion.
Which isn’t to say that they don’t have their own intelligence or emotion, it’s just very different from what the human thought process is like.
Thus it would be absurd to put them on the same pedestal as homosapiens, evolutionarily speaking.
Life is not a Disney cartoon, that I understand that I will be down voted by vegans who don’t understand this and will call me cruel.
That said I obviously support the Humane treatment of animals, but if you think I’m going to stop eating a creature that would eat me with far less hesitation if the roles were reversed, you are truly a fool.
We had chickens when I was a teen. They regularily hunted, killed and ate small rodents, lizards/snakes and sometimes even small birds like young sparrows whenever they could catch them - everything that fits into a chicken’s beak is fair game. And it wasn’t exactly a pretty sight. Imagine a single panicked field mouse being chased by sixteen feathered mini velociraptors, all trying to kill the mouse first, and then all fighting each other FOR the (hopefully) dead prey, as noone ever wanted to share their kill.
Funnily enough, the rooster was was a cuddly little idiot. (he got beaten up by the hens occasionally)
And just t add some proof for some of the points above, here’s a video of a single hen killing a hawk (warning, it is kinda graphic). They don’t even need great numbers to shred their wannabe predators - one really p*ssed off chicken and an opportunity to strike back, that’s all it takes.
I didn’t witness it but there are a few chicken farms around the area - the kind where chickens can freely roam around a huge shed - and I was told from an acquaintace that works at one they had been on the lookout for foxes, as they had already destroyed a few coops around the farm.
One morning they arrive at the barn to find a few dead chickens and two foxes partially skeletonized on the floor. It was a gruesome sight and the recording from the security cameras showed the foxes had been completely overrun by a mob of angry chickens that pecked, kicked and essentially killed by the thousand cuts method the poor wannabe predators.
The few chickens the foxes managed to kill were not enough to deter the mob but instead served to further spur it into a killer frenzy.
Because foxes are a protectes species, they had to call the authorities to give notice and have the cadavers picked up. Even the municipal vet was horrified at the state the chickens had left the foxes.
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i’ve heard chickens will just casually peck others to death if they have a wound too, like it’s not even malice or removing competition, they just do it from some fucked up instinct.
I own chickens and have had a bullying problem in the past. In the winter they have a lot less space and they get bored and stressed easily. The hen that took the “rooster”/protector role started pecking the smallest and sweetest chicken and drew blood. I had to keep the small chicken isolated from the flock for a few weeks while its wounds healed and put special goggles on the bully chicken for a month- they prevent it from seeing in front of itself so it forgets what’s there after a few seconds. Yeah they can be vicious, but it’s definitely preventable if they’re raised right instead of at a factory farm.
Jesus
I once read about a turkey that had to be wraped on a tea towel to allow a wound to heal as the creature kept pecking at it and ripping out pieces of flesh that would glady eat.
That is pretty high on the extreme behavior list. And I think it was a pet turkey.
Have they call it cock fighting for a reason, and no this ain’t no dick joke
Hate animal fights. The only animal fights I’ll condone involve two homo sapiens trying to pour each others brains through their hear onto the ground, by means of punches and/or kicks to the head, at the sound of a bell.
They’re intelligent and very instinctive birds from birth- that doesn’t mean that they’re vicious though. My chickens that I’m raising are all sweethearts. It’s all a matter of their environment. If you overcrowd them in an indoor factory farm of course they’re going to turn on each other, they’re extremely stressed out. Chickens that are raised outdoors with lots of space and different kinds of food are a lot less likely to act up and turn on each other. You can even taste a noticeable difference in eggs from happy chickens.
Roosters on the other hand are usually fucking assholes.
I had about a dozen chickens in an outdoors coop, with plenty of space (about 32 cubic metres of tridimensional space) and often carried them around in a chicken tractor (birds of prey area where I live) for grazing and some individuals exihibited extreme behaviors.
Again, variations will occur from breed to breed and from individual to individual.
Some breeds are especially known for being tamer than others and more concerned with eggs and brood than others.
I’ll partially agree on your statement that all roosters are assholes: we had one that enjoyed crowing when we were trying to talk anywhere in the bird’s line of sight.
Bad faith misinformation, this user bases the misinformation on their own experience but not everyone’s experience with chickens are the same
Life is made of variables, not repeatable 1’s and 0’s
they could care more about family ties.
ugh, the consequences of internet grammarian fascism: people using normative language to make a quirky riff on a nonsense “rule”
I reckon, in the Bible alone, for example, you could find instances of humans doing all these things to each other. At least 4/5.
The only one I’m having trouble thinking of an example is the chicks rising up against the matriarch, but that’s simply because I cannot think of an example of a matriarch in The Bible. The rest are covered in the Old Testament, possibly even The Torah.
The Torah and Bible are actually based on stories derived from watching chicken society fail to develop? This is my new headcanon
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Well it may not have had much a family since hens cannibalise their chicks.
God fucked up and made them way too tasty
Chickens are basically tiny raptors. They even hunt mice when given the chance
It’s finger licking good
It’s feather licking good
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fuck peta
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They should hate PETA too. No one has done more to hurt the cause of ending animal cruelty than PETA.
Thank you! There’s surprisingly an awful number of supporters here, I don’t know why…
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I don’t do gish gallops, so I’m just going to address this:
PETA kills animals because unfortunately there are no better places for them.
That is bullshit. There are no kill shelters all over the country. There’s one in my town. They didn’t even euthanize after they were overwhelmed when we had a huge storm that destroyed structures. They just found people who would foster while they could rehome as much as they could. PETA doesn’t do that.
Today I learned what a Gish Gallop is.
British journalist Mehdi Hasan suggests using these three steps to beat the Gish gallop:
- Because there are too many falsehoods to address, it is wise to choose one as an example. Choose the weakest, dumbest, most ludicrous argument that your opponent has presented and tear this argument to shreds (also known as the weak point rebuttal).
- Do not budge from the issue. Don’t move on until you have decisively destroyed the nonsense and clearly made your point.
- Call it out: name the strategy. “This is a strategy called the ‘Gish Gallop’. Do not be fooled by the flood of nonsense you have just heard.”
Nicely done.
Its also just totally a false equivalency. Lets entertain for a moment the fact that Peta is an imperfect organization that doesn’t always do the right thing. Okay and? The industry they protest exploits not just animals, but Children and Workers. Its carbon footprint is playing an instrumental role in destroying the biosphere. But sure, PETA is imperfect so I guess we’ll all just keep eating meat.
Do more research on that claim.
I love it when people say this without even suggesting where to do this research. Let me guess- Google it. Because that’s what I already did.
Nah I’m vegan, fuck peta.
Indeed, fuck peta
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Don’t you mean peter like Peter Griffin
Or maybe the dude from The Hunger Games? You know, the weird one with the bad name?
That too, but not as much as PeTA
What about petAh griffin
Yeah, fuck him too
You want to fuck petah Griffin? Oh no oh no oh no no no
They had hopes and dreams, a 10-year plan, they JUST bought a new car, their eldest daughter just had a child…
You’re right, chickens and humans are basically identical
So sad its joeover litterally cryin rn
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You mean the one time they kidnapped someone’s pet from their porch and had them put down? Or the fact their kill shelters kill more animals than actual animal shelters?
Ya. They’re evil.
Not really. There is a bunch of propaganda spread about them though.
Not propaganda if it’s true. Which it is.
Why reflect on my unethical consumption habits when I can just listen to meat industry/fast food propaganda? Mmmmm Chicken sure is tasty!
Chicken sure is tasty though
Yum yum in my tum tum
I have decided to lock the comments of this post. There’s been too much toxic engagement.
Redditors when you imply there may be some ethical problems with modern meat consumption: VEgaNs ArE a BuNcH of PreCHy SnoWflaKes!!1! PETA MurdERS iN THier SHelteRS!!1!!
Ding goes the oven, your Tyson nuggies are ready!
+1
The amount of hypocrisy in this thread is astounding
Remember when we were gullible enough to think that PETA was a reputable organization.
A shame JREF is too quiet to change their public reception…
VeGaNs BAAAD amirite??? Updoots to the left my fellow narwhals *tips fedora*
Vegans are fine, PETA on the other hand is a shitty horrible organization that needs to burn in a fire.
Fuck PETA
Vegans are like religious people: most of them are totally fine. It’s the preachy and overly defensive ones that suck.
Would you also consider it preachy when people criticize other cases of animal harm, like bullfighting or dog beating, or is it just the financing of factory farming that can’t be criticized? It’s troublesome that people enforce a social stigma that you can’t talk about what we do to farm animals without suffering social consequences.
Dude made a joke at preachy hypocrites who kill a shitload of dogs. Lighten up and save your strawmen for another time.
Who kills a shitload of dogs? I think you replied to the wrong comment.
Peta do. They operate a shitload of shelters, none of which are no-kill.
You wrote vegans, not peta. Most vegans have nothing to do with Peta.
In this case I was talking about the OP tweet exchange, in which a guy replies specifically to peta
And in my other comments I wasn’t referring to vegans in general either, only the preachy and overdefensive ones. All the vegans I know IRL are good people who aren’t constantly preachy and defensive.
I have never seen a vegan preach, here or on reddit. But i have seen hundreds of comments complaining about preachy vegans.
That’s a streaming load of horse shit. You’re evidently wearing ideological blinders rivaling those of religious fundamentalists.
And unfortunately the preachy ones are the only ones ever speaking up
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Because they’re using veganism as a substitute for having a personality. Never goes well.
If you tell anybody to stop doing something they like they’re going to tell you to fuck off.
Yeah like when they told us we shouldn’t use slaves anymore! Get off your high horse and stop telling us what to do!
Yes.😎
Yes 🤠
Aaaaand the reddit crowd is here.
No, just the lemmy.world crowd. Which is essentially refugees from r/incels
Wow, so clever, nobody ever heard this one before!!! Thanks for bringing a whole new joke into the world!!! You did it!!!
I actually haven’t heard it before.
Don’t worry, he’s heard it before because he goes out of his way looking for it :)
You didn’t need to be a dick, you know. You chose that for yourself.
I know
