I’m not sure how accurate StatCounter is, given that most Linux users use adblockers. However, according to it, Linux has almost a 14% desktop share in India.

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    That’s because even a grey market Windows key costs US$20 nowadays and that’s over ₹1,600. For comparison purposes, the largest Indian banknote is ₹500.

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        …but not legal. Being poor doesn’t necessarily mean you’re inclined to break the law. Besides, Linux is useful if you perhaps want to later get a job in the tech field.

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          resold oem key is not legal as well.

          only legal options are: get windows with your device or purchase retail for a hunnit $.

          just accept it and pirate.

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            only legal options are

            You could also just download the ISO from MS directly and use it without activation. It’ll only prevent you from changing the theme and wallpaper, but you could just change the registry entries directly or use a third-party tool to change your wallpaper/theme.

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              And no BitLocker (without fiddling around even more)? No, thanks.

              There’s no way Microsoft can win this moral battle, they’ll profit off you enough with all their tracking, have you seen the atrocious setup screen at installation they put you through?

              • Do you want to ads?
              • Do you want to a keylogger?
              • Do you want to get tracked?
              • Do you want to get fucked?

              Yes, please, daddy GatesNadella

              (Sorry, can’t help myself from sounding like a nutjob when Microsoft gets into the equation)

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            It’s of questionable legality. It’s not illegal as in “piracy”, but the seller, or whoever obtained that key from Microsoft, is violating their agreement with Microsoft by reselling the keys.

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          You’re not breaking the law, you’re breaking a software license agreement. That does not automatically make it a crime, at least, that would depend on your exact local laws, and the lawyer’s interpretation of it - in many cases the actual wording around this is ambiguous and could be argued both ways. A better term for it would be a “legal grey area”, which means if you’re a company then don’t f*** around with it, and if you’re just a random user then no one gives a f***.

          In any case, if those scripts were truly illegal, then the Microsoft-owned Github wouldn’t host them in the first place. Clearly Microsoft themselves don’t have an issue with it, so why should anyone else care about it?

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            Yes, you are breaking a law. Copyright infringement in this manner is an offence under the Copyright Act 1957 punishable with up to three years imprisonment and a fine.

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              But you’re not infringing on any copyright. You’re downloading a copy of Windows directly from Microsoft legally, and then activating it using a free and open-source script hosted on Microsoft’s own servers. You aren’t breaking any copyright law in doing that.

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                That’s how it should work, but creating a derivative of a copyrighted work, through modification, even if it is for personal use, is technically illegal in the US.

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                  Copyright doesn’t even apply until you attempt to distribute the covered work, so no, this is false.

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          Who makes the laws?

          Do the people making the laws respect the laws they create?

          They create the laws for whom?

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        While it is free to download it, the license still costs. Though they seem to let you use it unlicensed for an unlimited amount of time with some restrictions (like not being able to change the background image and an ever present watermark). At least this was true for windows 10. No telling if/when they will drop that feature though, especially if loads of people start using it unlicensed like that (though I doubt that has any effect on people using it that way or not).

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          Microsoft never gave a shit about private piracy barring some noteable examples from countries with very strict anti-piracy laws like germany. The tactic has always been to get everyonem on windows and then make the big bucks seeling the OS to enterprises, because everybody wants to use windows, since they’re at least halfway competent at that

          Now, it’s my opinion that people, en masse, can’t use computers to save their fucking lives anyways and whether they’re too stupid to utilize windows or too stupid to utilize Linux doesn’t make much of a difference, but boy do the people get angry when anyone suggests switching off windows

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      No largest note was ₹2000 but just recently it got banned maybe government likely going to launch new notes?

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        Was, but no longer is. It is officially discontinued, making the ₹500 note the largest for now. I would expect the Government to quickly launch a new large-denomination note. India is still a largely cash society and the largest note being worth 6 USD is surely going to be inconvenient for everyday citizens.

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        The Government demonetised ₹1000 and ₹2000 banknotes a few years back as part of a campaign against “black money”. The Government’s thinking was that criminal organisations hoarded large amounts of cash in these large-denomination notes, and by forcing everyone to deposit the notes immediately into the bank, it would bring light to the flow of money.

        It was not particularly successful and mostly all it did was lead to a week of chaos and long queues outside banks.

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    It’s a little puzzling to me that Linux isn’t popular in low-income countries. Why wouldn’t it be the OS of choice there? Do we need to become linux missionaries? I imagine it would be easier to convince people who can’t buy an iPhone to use FLOSS than those who can drive to an Apple Store and waddle over to get yet another one.

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      Puzzling? Windows comes preinstalled or can be pirated. Also, it’s popular, Linux isn’t. No puzzle on sight.

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      Probably because it has to compete with piracy there, not with Microsoft and Adobe and such.

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        ironically enough i think microsoft (at least until very recently) has had a very lenient stance on piracy exactly because of this

        piracy is the key to the consumer market in developing countries, consumer market is the key to enterprise (where the actual money lies)

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        I remember switching to linux because windows was shit and because I was afraid of getting caught using pirated warez. Is there no fear of that there?

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      Same as any other country, people use what’s preinstalled

      However following that trend Chrome OS and Android have really boosted Linux’s numbers

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      They know little about open source. Microsoft is exclusively in schools and government, and that is what they grow up with. They probably know more about pirating Windows, than using Linux legally. There is also a good kick-back in terms of MS license mark-ups for middle-men businesses. One would hope there is some mandatory education around different OSs as I’m sure kids would love to explore and modify software.

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          Linux and FLOSS unfortunately don’t have budgets, and rely on logic and common sense. Microsoft has a big lobbying budget, gets in to see senior politicians and decision-makers, and then sponsors training, digital villages, etc. Yes, it costs a country overall much more than Linux, but it is easier for schools/gov depts and middle-men make some actual money in their pockets. That’s what Linux and FLOSS end up against. What would turn it around is having strong local businesses driving training and making tender bids to install and support Linux and FLOSS. A government or school wants to have it done for them. That’s the reality, unfortunately.

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      Two reasons, low income means no culture of paying for software, and easily corrupted government and administrations which companies like Microsoft have no problem taking advantage of to push their products to city halls, schools, hospitals, universities etc.

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      I don’t think many people buy windows, laptops already comes with it and ones how can build a pc already know how to get windows for free, as far as iPhone goes, why would any one choose floss if they can’t afford iPhone? They usually choose Google services

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      They don’t choose. Choice is something to make when people have enough time and resource. Instead they use what they are familiar with and have little time to grab and learn a new thing.
      Free software comes with an implicit cost while pirated Windows doesn’t, ironically.

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      Because poor people don’t want to spend time maintaining their os. Windows is maintenance free but everything in Linux requires a lot more steps that usually dive into the command line.

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            You don’t do maintenance, you have to reinstall everytime something goes wrong after spending hours reading bullshit answers to a simple question on Microsoft forums. At least that’s my experience with it.

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        I would assume that “market share” is related to the relative number of units sold/number of active subscriptions/fraction of total sales in terms in revenue, or some similar metric. I run a variety of different distributions on servers (bare metal, VMs and containers) and desktop computers. Do they all count equally? Without giving it more thought, I wouldn’t even know how to determine the market share of Ubuntu in my own home in a sensible way.

        With Windows, I can just count the number of active licenses. Oh wait, its zero.

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      I hope no one gets offended, but is there anyone who can explain why the indians say “Sir” like that? I mean, it’s so characteristic, I don’t criticize it, I’m just genuinely curious.

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          Wow. This totally explains why the Indian guys I work with are such yesmen. They never question or push back in what the bosses say.

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            In addition to what they said, it is considered rude in some parts of India (TN, Andhra, Telangana, even Gujarat to some extant) to bluntly say no. People who don’t know these social cues may take a no as a yes. And people from these states are over-represented in the US.

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        Just tossing a guess, would love for someone who actually knows to chime in though: in their language they’re probably taught to refer to strangers with the respective word for “sir” as a formal construct, so they apply the same to English even though the culture is different, because they will probably be taught this way as sometimes happens, school teachers don’t actually pass on the cultural uses/ways of talking of the countries where the language is spoken alongside the language itself, so it’s easier to stick to plain translation in some cases

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        Not sure about the colonial mindset or the caste practices of centuries but Indian culture is extremely hierarchial in almost all facets of life. Elders, seniors, higher officials, etc all expect to be respected even if it is just one year difference, etc.

        One of the ways to show respect it to not use names and call as sir,madam, teacher, officer or at best elder brothers/sisters for college seniors. All this works well in the regional languages of India but sounds weird in English.

        Directly calling names of elders is still seen as bad and if needed would use their name appended with sir madam uncle aunt etc.

        This is less practiced in IT field in my experience. After years of schooling and college calling my teachers sir and maam it was hard to shake off the habit. A few of my managers had to remind me a bunch of times to call them by their name and not as sir / maam in the beginning. Even then I avoidedcallintg out their names and just started speaking to get their attention. Now I almost call everyone by name by default in office setting. It is still fun when freshers join and are asked to use names of 15+ year elders and them wondering if we are joking.

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        It’s due to the nature of social interactions in India (more broadly, South Asia).

        In most of our native languages, we don’t directly address someone by their name, unless we’ve been acquainted before (sometimes even after, if it was just a formal acquaintance). We add a little something for politeness and respect. So it’s always ‘firstname’-ji or ‘lastname’-ji, for example, in Hindi.

        Since there isn’t a direct carry over for this in English, people adopted sir or ma’am as replacement.

        That’s more or less it. It’s about respect when interacting with someone else.

        You’ll notice that people who have been brought up in or are more familiar with western culture don’t really do this.

        EDIT: Unless ofcourse, your question was regarding the accent. In that case, most south asian written scripts lack certain soft tonal pronunciations of English alphabets, so most conversions result in hard sounding words, due to which you get the characteristic Indian (or again, more accurately, South Asian) accent.

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          For those who know a bit of Japanese, its similar to the honorifics system in that language as it stands now. The origins have been discussed by others (class system by the British and all), but this is how it is currently used, at least in my experience.

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            Indians push these self-aggrandizing lies everywhere on the internet, from reddit, youtube, to quora and facebook. And with their population propping up these posts you have to take everything with a bucket of salt.

            The top post is saying people don’t pirate Windows there because it’s illegal, like what??? go to any piracy based forums, telegram channels, and groups, it’s full of them.

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    I’m not sure adblockers change the OS they report. Other tools I know for a fact do it.

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      I think the assumption is not that adblockers alter the user agent info, but that they also block other resources, so StatCounter won’t see those users at all, leading to under-reporting.

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    A lot of people are comparing windows to linux, but windows worldwide has only about 70% market share.

    There are way less mac os and chrome os users than worldwide