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  • The Snark Urge@lemmy.world
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    10 hours ago

    You consider it even remotely appropriate to let an insurrectionist stand for election? A literal traitor to the republic? Allowing him on the ballot was, I think, a crucial failure of democratic norms. One of many.

    Just as legality is not the same as morality, winning an election in a critically dysfunctional democracy is not a mandate to rule as a king.

    They’re beginning to learn, too late, that the only thing keeping democracy in America is its norms. Voters were offered an insane question that should never have been asked.

    • MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world
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      6 hours ago

      Biden isn’t responsible for any of that though. The courts should have stopped Trump nothis oppenent in the election

      edit: To all thinking Biden could or should have directly intervened to prevent Trump from running how do you think he can legally do so without being seen as a dictator?

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        4 hours ago

        Biden could have used an “official act” to prove a point. He’s old and could have made the sacrifice for the greater good since by the time the courts were done he is on his death bed. Would have been interesting to watch.

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        8 hours ago

        The CIA has toppled democracies around the world. So its bullshit to say the president has his hands tied…

        • MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world
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          7 hours ago

          If a leader utilizes the intelligence agencies to put down opposition politicians then they are an authoritarian dictator. Biden isn’t that stupid.

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            5 hours ago

            Be careful when you fight monsters. Biden was fucked either way if I’m being honest, I’d even bet a handful of cash that a prominent Dem, perhaps even Biden, gets merked within two years.

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            7 hours ago

            Youre right. Should just let a traitor waltz in and be the authoritarian dictator. We’ll just put Biden in the history book beside Hindenburg.

            • MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world
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              6 hours ago

              So your solution to prevent an authoritarian dictatorship is for Biden to become an authoritarian dictator?

              Te courts are the check against this.

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                  6 hours ago

                  Yes the same courts that did that. POTUS shouldn’t be preventing the opposition from running candidates.

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                    6 hours ago

                    Being a poltical opposition shouldnt be a shield from consequences. Anyone else, he would have been labeled a terrorist and sent off to gitmo. But i guess US has always been a veil democracy anyway, so im not really suprised once the remaining illusions eroded away.

      • big_slap@lemmy.world
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        6 hours ago

        by not giving a shit about optics in the same way he bailed his son out. who cares if people see him as a dictator?

        • MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world
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          6 hours ago

          Pardoning his son from witch-hunts by the GOP isn’t dictatorial.Legally preventing the opposition from running candidates is absolutely dictatorial.

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            5 hours ago

            Pardoning his son from witch-hunts by the GOP isn’t dictatorial.

            pardoning witch hunts? hunter avoided paying taxes and got caught. why should he not pay the price for his crime?

            • MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world
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              5 hours ago

              Because typically tax evasion is not handled by Congress. Surely you realized that it was really weird that Congress was looking into misdemeanor criminal violations.

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                38 minutes ago

                A great deal of the things congress seems to investigate are stupid. Like the whole baseball and steroids thing. And most of the rest of their investigations are dog and pony shows.

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                4 hours ago

                I find it weird, yes. I guess I just don’t care about what’s weird or not anymore since weird actions have very real results.

                its only going to get weirder. nobody on the left wants to be painted as the person who overstepped societal norms they shouldnt have in order to keep crazy in check.

                oh well! what are ya gonna do lol

      • liyunxiao@sh.itjust.works
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        7 hours ago

        Biden decided a longer than 4 year investigation without charges was the move. If smith filed charges on some, but not all the crimes Trump committed, courts would have had something to go off of to bar him from running.

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            6 hours ago

            Except it wouldn’t be, since he was not a political opponent after jan 6th. He also absolutely had a role, the idea the head of the executive branch doesn’t control the doj is and always has been an open lie. The existence of pot shops in legal states is the most obvious proof of that.

            • MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world
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              6 hours ago

              The elected leader in a democratic republic like the USA cannot stop candidates from running without becoming a dictator. This is intro level poli sci stuff.

              There is a difference between permitting states to decriminalize cannabis and electoral interference.

              • liyunxiao@sh.itjust.works
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                6 hours ago

                They actually can, it’s called doing their job and charging the individual with high crimes against the US that they’ve committed. There’s no difference between a presidential candidate and a citizen.

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                  5 hours ago

                  No it isn’t. It is inappropriate for any candidate to utilize their office to prevent opposition. That is how authoritarian societies work not democratic republics. You should have been taught this in secondary/high school (ages 14-18 if you aren’t American).

                  How would you react if Trump had banned Bernie Sanders ir Biden from running in 2020 over perceived charges? Do you not see how easily misused that power would be?

                  The DOJ lead by the USAG should handle the prosecution without input from POTUS. That is what happened.

                  What you are suggesting is the kind of clownish fantasy that would get you laughed out of any courtroom. That’s how failed democracies work. That is not how systems should work. You are literally advocating corruption.

                  • The Snark Urge@lemmy.world
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                    5 hours ago

                    The norms you’re citing are all perfectly correct - but no democracy can survive if these norms are able to protect literal traitors. The fact that a coup was attempted should have resulted in swift and frightfully intense penalties for all involved. Unhung traitors poison republics.

                  • liyunxiao@sh.itjust.works
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                    5 hours ago

                    Advocating for suspected criminals to face charges and go to trial in a timely manner is authoritarian.

                    Well that’s just absolutely ridiculous. I sincerely hope you understand this is why Trump won and why the US won’t exist by the end of the decade. Please don’t fuck up something so simple in your next country.