What’s your positive examples of men, fathers, friends, work colleagues, brothers, etc where they were or are emotionally available?
I feel in todays’ society, men are pressured to fit into this image of having to be emotionless. Thus most of us grow up in empty homes with emotionally absent fathers. That sucks and I don’t want my kids to have to suffer such such
I won’t reply probably but I’m interested in your answers. Thanks in advance!
PS: :::spoiler Also, this is why I often would indulge in watching porn - because I crave emotional connection/availability. But I don’t need to have my mind cluttered with these images and so, hence I want to practice being emotionally self-aware, present and safe (someone help me with the spoiler thing pls):::
I’ve been though divorce recently and despite being very amicable, it’s caused me to reset - some things broke, but being more emotionally open has been one of the good things. I’m still pretty reserved but a few things are different:
- I care a lot less about conforming to “ideals” or how anyone judges me. That means I no longer feel the fear and second guess everything I say.
- When appropriate, I ask people - especially other men - how they’re doing and gently push for a genuine answer. No one’s reacted negatively to that, so far.
- With my kids, I simply do the opposite to my father. I tell them I love them, I take an interest in them, and I take their feelings seriously. I don’t coddle them, but I want them to feel secure and confident in talking to me. They’re still young, so we’ll see.
- During work 1:1s, I take a genuine interest in people, most will subtly drop hints that they had a bad weekend or are feeling tired or stressed. I used to gloss over that, now I’ll ask about it and say I’m happy to listen. A surprising number will go on to share, with the bonus that it builds trust.
- If someone asks how I am, I won’t lay it all out for them, but I’ll be honest. Most people empathise and tell you they’ve been through similar. It’s never been awkward, and I’ve found out nearly everyone I know is pretty anxious and is going through difficult stuff.
As an aside, I never watched much porn because I found it so cold and alienating. It’s interesting that you found the opposite. Anyway, I’ll stop there and wish you well!
I don’t coddle them, but I want them to feel secure and confident in talking to me.
I think it’s ok to coddle them every once in a while. You won’t spoil them if its occasional.
I think of a friend of mine. He smiles freely and largely among friends, he acknowledges his feelings but doesn’t get consumed by them inappropriately, and in turn he acknowledges others’ feelings. He’s quick to praise, but not afraid to disagree or expand upon something someone else said. He also does what he wants sincerely and excitedly whether it’s starting a lecture series or putting on a flute recital as a man in his 40s.
I suppose it’s the vulnerability that impresses me. He’s vulnerable enough to voice hope, to be sincere; to try and succeed or fail know that we care.
And as for your spoiler, porn is fine when ethically produced, but going to porn for emotional intimacy is like going to vodka for food. It’s not a good substitute for what you’re missing or a good use for what you’re using. Go to social events/hobby groups and start making friends, that’s what you’re missing
Start seeing a therapist. Get help from a professional and avoid taking the advice of strangers on the internet.
Wow you really love giving bullshit psychoanalytical advice on the internet huh?
Sounds like you need someone to talk to as well
Wow, a bigoted prick and an internet stalker. Stop following me around, asshat. Maybe get off the internet for a bit? Get a life.
This may sound silly but there’s a YouTube channel called cinema therapy and they have a series on non-toxic masculinity. I highly recommend the coverage of Rocky, how a true man’s man expresses emotional vulnerability and love. Watching the channel in general has given me words for things I felt and experienced but didn’t know how to talk about.
I always thought Ferris Beuller’s father was a good role model for dads.
Um are you sure this is why you do what you say you do in the spoiler? Just as a warning, I know emotionally available men who also engage in this activity. So do I occasionally and I’m a woman. Meaning, you may know your reasons but if your goal is to remove it that might be difficult. But you surely may reduce it though. Nothing wrong with this as long as it doesn’t interfere with your life.
Now, going back to your question, just be willing and ready to discuss feelings and emotions with people. Friends, family. It doesn’t mean you need to open up right there and spill all your beans, rather, start by listening to others. It’s okay (and actually good) to ask them how do you feel?. Maybe you find you relate to some of that, it’s fine to let the other person know too. Don’t lie though, remember listening is already enough.
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Whackadoo But seriously, Bandit is the best dad role model.
I can’t speak for everyone, but asking myself “why” has helped me introspect. If I have a bad reaction to something or don’t when I should, I ask myself why. After a couple rounds of “why” it usually comes down to childhood experiences or social expectations. At least for me. Eventually it gets easier and being able to id the source helps figure out the positive steps to correct it.
I got nothing from any of the men in my life until I started hanging out with more gay men. Whatever else they are, they are unrestrained by the straight role / rules. I found them fun, open, hilarious, sad, hopeful, crazy… it was also a revelation to be hit on (both good and bad).
I guess my other ray of hope was my Arabic ancestry. Arab men are very relaxed and affectionate. Not just with each other but with everyone. They adore kids. They dance. They kiss each other on the cheek to say hello.
Another one is art. If you want to express emotion, ply an art. I wrote. It was a good outlet, even if it never added up to the great American novel.
Once these influences cracked me open, I began to rescue other men around me, who appreciated having a friend they could really talk to, have feelings in front of, hug…
At this point I’m very much my own creature. I can’t even imagine living with the whole emotionless thing. It’s so dumb.
Even though I’m 95% straight I identify as bi. It’s freeing. I don’t worry about that 5% and try to hide it. I cherish it and hold on to it. It keeps me just a little bit flexible. I like that people can’t read my sexuality for a long time after they get to know me. I feel comfortable with straight men, gay men, and all kinds of women. I can relate to trans people, who also construct their gender identity consciously and with intention.
It’s such a big world of interesting people. You can’t know them all but at least know yourself.
A perfect example from fiction is LotR. All the main male characters express themselves, they share their fears and hopes, cry when people close to them die, and they encourage each other.
They’re also rugged “manly men” who hunt, fish, are decisive, and show good leadership capabilities. It shows the ability to do both traditional masculine activities and be emotionally available without being toxic.
It’s common in media to allude that Sam and Frodo’s relationship is sexual in nature, but that sort of close bond between men was common prior to ww2, particularly in the military. A situation that Tolkien likely would have experienced in the trenches of ww1.
Good YT video about Aragorn in this regard. Touches often on how fucked up modern masculinity is.
Thankyou for this response
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Practice being honest. Say I don’t know. Ask how you can help. Listen. Its not hard just being there and honest you can learn alot and improve.
I really enjoy the podcast Deeper Dating. The host, Ken Page, is one of the most emotionally in-touch men I’ve heard from. More so than a lot of women, honestly. Also, therapy and men’s groups are a great start too. Consider poetry, talks from Brené Brown, books on attachment styles, and engaging with more emotionally intimate people in your life - even just as friends, male or female.
Start by diving into “positive” emotions, because that’s an easier starting point than sharing fears/worries/doubts/etc.
Tell people when you’re happy about something. Notice and give compliments about things you like in others. Share music you love, and talk about why you love it.
Ease your way into expressing emotions by building this foundation, and where you go from there is up to you.
In addition to this, understanding the emotions you are experiencing and being able to put a name to them will help. A lot of cultural expectations pressure men to only feel anger/happiness, but there is so much more nuance. Being able to recognize that and, eventually, communicate it will be massive to this undertaking.
I’d recommend using something like an emotion wheel to define how you are feeling at any given moment in time.
I have a bit of of a different experience in regards to this because I’m a neurodivergent and queer trans man. So I’ve had to spend a lot of time untangling my thoughts on masculinity. Personally, one of the main observations I’ve made is how emotionally constipated the men around me are. Usually something to the effect of “I can’t be mistaken as gay becuase it might result in social or physical harm coming to me” So I suppose my advice would be to work on allowing yourself to feel things without judgement (which is a lot easier said than done, of course). A good starting point would be to either talk with a therapist/support group, or if that option is not available, then independently reviewing/working through psychiatry material yourself. I would start with the book “The Body Keeps the Score” because in my experience, most people experience trauma at some point or another in their lives, including men. That can help you build a more stable mental framework for working through your own experiences of being emotionally stifled.
As far as general advice, I would look to other queer men/masc for opinions as well, cuz a lot of us have internal and external experiences with working through emotional suppression. Usually because as a cohort, we don’t tend to feel as beholden to the social “ideal” of masculine.
Back when I was on reddit I also found that r/menslib was a welcoming space for men and masc folks to discuss men’s issues (such as the lack of emotional intimacy) without devolving into an incel/misogyny forum.
::: spoiler I don’t think there’s anything wrong with porn conceptually, but the industry is full of exploitation due to an intersection of capitalist exploitation, patriarchal exploitation, and the fact that sex work is often criminalized. So seeking out more ethically produced porn would be a way to minimize the more unsavory aspects. You could also consider the merits of indulging in literary erotica or pornographic art instead, as these options often focus more on emotional intimacy or fetishes, and are on average less exploitative. :::
I’m just one dude on the internet though, and it’s good that you’re looking for a variety of inputs on this, we could use more emotionally healthy men in the world.
Openly acknowledging being aware you have trouble being emotionally available is being vulnerable so you’re already making progress. You don’t need to openly cry or always reflect your feelings. The first step is to be honest even if it’s vague. If that’s just a “how are you?” “I’m good, just stressed” or “just trying something new”. In a relationship? Just try asking for a hug when you want one