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      Its like when someone uses human greed as a reason Communism wont work.

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        Funny how that someone is often the same who assumes humanity is flawless when libertarianism! Could it be that those people are just greedy and selfish hypocrites? Nah!

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        They’re pretty much similarly utopian but the neat thing is we can work towards both at the same time.

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        Which is a very uninformed (or intentionally misleading) thing to say, because Communism from it’s very beginning has always assumed that there are bad actors and always will be, hence the whole dictatorship of the proletariat thing.

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              The idea (in theory) was that once the proleteriat seizes power, they would act akin to a dictator in ancient Rome, who would be given the extraordinary powers to handle extraordinary circumstances (such as, in this case, the (re)construction of society). It’s not implying totalitarian rule.

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                It’s also the state power to oppress counter revolutionaries and the former high class, often through violence and forced labour. That to me is a form of dictatorship, even if it does provide better conditions and freedom to much more people than the newly oppressed.

                I’m not saying it to praise it or condemn it, I just think it’s a fact at this point.

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        Communism wont work because it will never be implemented. If a country ever implements true communism it will experience extreme brain drain and be left with only the most unskilled people.

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          If a country ever implements true communism it will experience extreme brain drain and be left with only the most unskilled people.

          I’m not sure where you got this idea from. I’m not particularly informed on the subject, but when I look up the dictionary definition of communism, I get this:

          a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.

          Emphasis mine. If people with more ability are paid more, then they shouldn’t be flocking out of the country, right?

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            Why even work hard if you cant spend the money to own something/start a business. What will you spend the money on? The good of humanity? Get out of of here with that bullshit. If my country inplements communism im leaving on a first plane to a place where my skills will benefit me.

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              My understanding, however limited, is that “property” means something different in this context. Essentially, it means things like real estate and businesses, things that make money. You can own food, clothes, a TV, watches, a car, whatever you want, as long as it doesn’t make money.

              If you wanted to start a business, you probably could, and you wouldn’t need to pay for it. The State would own the business, and you would be paid to run that business. This absolves you of all the risk associated with it, and you get paid more than a grocery store shelf stocker because you’re doing a harder job, and thus demonstrating greater ability.

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                So you’re dependant on the government and can’t (not allowed to) do anything about it. Sounds great. My car can make money, my computer can make money, but i guess im not allowed to do it if big daddy Lenin doesn’t want me to.

                People who can will leave in flocks.

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                But that degrades a person to a child. A child can own a trinket or two, but for anything of real value, there’s mommy and daddy.

                Which fits perfectly well with my hypothesis, that the majority of people actually don’t want a government. They want a babysitter to watch over them.

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              I hear Dubai is looking for day laborers! Im sure the lack of regulations make it a great place for workers!

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                And yet, people are still coming there voluntarily. But that word is missing from the communist dictionary.

                The will of a worker is nothing under the communism. It’s always about some abstract mythical collective.

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                  Yeah because they are promised gainful employment to escape tge Material Conditions capitalism created for them. Then they get to Dubai have thete passports taken by their employer and are effectively slaves. You really dont know jack shit about Communism do you? 🙃

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              “Communism won’t work because I only work for selfish gain so everyone else must be the same as me. Anyone who says they’d work for non-selfish reasons must be lying because I’m selfish and everyone else must be just like me. And if they set up a society where selfishness wasn’t the main motivator, I’d be out of there to go where I could still be selfish. Therefore communism is bullshit.”

              Communist societies have had their problems but this has never been a good argument.

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          It’s ok comrade. Uninformed peoole often says so, but the braindrain in communism has been accouted for. A bit of a barbed wire, some dogs, a few guys with daddy issues and a gun will stop any brains crossing the border. /s