New surveys of Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania taken this week offer the latest indication of a dramatic reversal in standing for the Democratic Party since President Biden abandoned his re-election bid.
But the polls also indicate clear vulnerabilities for the new Democratic presidential nominee. Forty-two percent of voters said Ms. Harris was too liberal;
So NYT, another way to put that would be that most voters don’t think she’s too progressive?
In recent days, Ms. Harris has disavowed some of her previous stances on issues including border enforcement and fracking, as well as her support for a single-payer health care system.
Can’t have shit in America, I swear
Oh well, good to see Trump and Vance eating shit at any rate.
I mean, with either Biden or Harris highlighting the less common response is a weird phrasing choice, and it’s a weird thing to focus on if they’re just looking for weaknesses (Republicans who are always going to think any Dem is too progressive will distort things, and meanwhile she’s almost as close to being negative on the “has a clear vision for the country” question which speaks more to persuadable voters).
but i agree that people have to stop being scared of the “insult” liberal.
I didn’t say that and don’t think I can agree with you there. Like, it shouldn’t be an insult per se, liberalism was an improvement over the monarchism and mercantilism ideas that came before it and I think civil rights and written constitutions are solid ideas we should retain, but the whole obsession with “market based” solutions and paternalistic means testing nonsense is a silly waste of money and political capital.
On a very much related note, the fact that the survey question asks “Do you think Kamala Harris is too liberal or progressive, not liberal or etc.” is really unhelpful, but that’s “all the news that’s fit to print” for ya
it is like when they use the word woke as an insult; i mean what is the fucking alternative - being asleep?
Yeah, that’s always struck me as a weird flex too. I guess just because it was a phrase commonly used by black people once upon a time before it went mainstream was enough to make them reflexively hate it.
a weird thing to focus on if they’re just looking for weaknesses
i am not really sure i understand you here - that’s how looking for weakness works. the positive part of the spectrum is just “keep up the good work”, the lower part is “here is where you might be losing some voters”.
there is of course the fact that you can get to the point where gaining voters on one side of the scale means losing them on the other one.
but the whole obsession with “market based” solutions
i meant more social liberalism as opposed to social conservatism, i agree with scepticism about the free market, which is primarily free from any consequences.
So NYT, another way to put that would be that most voters don’t think she’s too progressive?
Can’t have shit in America, I swear
Oh well, good to see Trump and Vance eating shit at any rate.
they phrased it that way to put it in contrast with biden:
Forty-two percent of voters said Ms. Harris was too liberal; 37 percent said the same about Mr. Biden last October.
but i agree that people have to stop being scared of the “insult” liberal.
it is like when they use the word woke as an insult; i mean what is the fucking alternative - being asleep?
Wonder how many voters found Biden too conservative, though? I’m always sceptical when big media start pushing anti-progressive scare tactics.
I mean, with either Biden or Harris highlighting the less common response is a weird phrasing choice, and it’s a weird thing to focus on if they’re just looking for weaknesses (Republicans who are always going to think any Dem is too progressive will distort things, and meanwhile she’s almost as close to being negative on the “has a clear vision for the country” question which speaks more to persuadable voters).
I didn’t say that and don’t think I can agree with you there. Like, it shouldn’t be an insult per se, liberalism was an improvement over the monarchism and mercantilism ideas that came before it and I think civil rights and written constitutions are solid ideas we should retain, but the whole obsession with “market based” solutions and paternalistic means testing nonsense is a silly waste of money and political capital.
On a very much related note, the fact that the survey question asks “Do you think Kamala Harris is too liberal or progressive, not liberal or etc.” is really unhelpful, but that’s “all the news that’s fit to print” for ya
Yeah, that’s always struck me as a weird flex too. I guess just because it was a phrase commonly used by black people once upon a time before it went mainstream was enough to make them reflexively hate it.
i am not really sure i understand you here - that’s how looking for weakness works. the positive part of the spectrum is just “keep up the good work”, the lower part is “here is where you might be losing some voters”.
there is of course the fact that you can get to the point where gaining voters on one side of the scale means losing them on the other one.
i meant more social liberalism as opposed to social conservatism, i agree with scepticism about the free market, which is primarily free from any consequences.
I like how you can tell who the big donors are by watching policy movement. Gotta get that campaign money, but fuck.