• partial_accumen@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    this is just storytelling.

    Now you’re denying what the laws regarding the voting system is the USA?

    it’s not a natural law.

    Its state law in 48 out of the 50 states.

    “48 out of the 50 States award Electoral votes on a winner-takes-all basis (as does the District of Columbia). For example, all 54 of California’s electoral votes go to the winner of the state election, even if the margin of victory is only 50.1 percent to 49.9 percent.” source

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      5 months ago

      the existence of a winner-take-all system does not entail that a non-vote or even a vote for some candidate besides trump or biden helps trump. only a vote for trump helps trump.

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        5 months ago

        You’re moving the goalposts. What was being discussed is if a vote would have gone to Biden, but becomes a non-vote, then that absolutely helps Trump under plurality voting.

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            5 months ago

            I wasn’t sure either. I was curious how far the script would go. I think I finally go to the end of it with its ad hominem attacks finally arriving.

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          it’s unprovable what might happen if a vote, known to have been cast one way, were cast some other way. this is known as a “counterfactual” and they are, tautologically, unprovable.

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            it’s unprovable what might happen if a vote, known to have been cast one way, were cast some other way.

            Oh really?

            Scenario 1: Baseline

            • candidate A receives 10 votes
            • candidate B receives 9 votes
            • Outcome: Candidate A wins under plurality

            Scenario 2: Two voters for Candidate A are convinced not to vote (non-vote) or vote for a candidate other than A or B

            • candidate A receives 8 votes
            • candidate B receives 9 votes
            • Outcome: Candidate B wins under plurality

            Proof enough?

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                indicates to me that you are detached from reality.

                And finally, after exhausting any logical defense, you arrive at ad hominem attacks! Thanks for playing have a good day!

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                  5 months ago

                  it is not ad hominem to insist that someone who refuses basic tenets of reasoning is not dealing with reality.

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              under what circumstances can you claim that two voters would vote differently, but nothing else would change? given that the circumstances changed enough for them to make a different decision, we must conclude that we don’t know enough about the fictional alternate reality to guess at the outcome.