Mehdi’s Memo on the results of our new poll on Gaza and Iran

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    6 months ago

    If nobody cares about only one issue then why are people talking about pissing a vote away because:

    • Both candidates have basically the same stance on their number one issue
    • They are too lazy to look at any of their other issues

    But yeah. I agree that nobody is actually a single issue voter. Which is why it is important to understand there is more than one issue at play here.

    Change CAN happen if the two parties have a different stance. republicans got CLOBBERED because a shocking amount of their base actually care about abortion rights. Democrats have not done anywhere near what they fucking should on that front, but they are the pro human rights party… when it comes to that.

    In this case? Both parties have the same stance. It isn’t like letting trump win will at all help the Palestinian people.

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      6 months ago

      Because:

      Enough is enough

      Gaza is a big issue, and Biden’s treatment of those that disagree with him isn’t that much different than trumps.

      Biden has said the same bullshit about recent protests that Trump said about BLM.

      People see that, and it makes them think there’s no chance that they or anyone else can change Biden’s mind about anything else.

      And that’s a bad look when your goal is turning out dem voters.

      You sound like you get that, but instead of being mad at Biden, you’re mad at everyone else.

      That’s where we disagree.

      I constantly heard “Biden isn’t a dictator” as an excuse for his inaction, but funding a genocide is an overt action he refuses to stop. And even went around Congress at one point.

      He’s throwing away all his integrity, and people aren’t trusting him anymore.

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          6 months ago

          you forget that almost half of Congress and US citizens still support Israel’s actions.

          You mean republicans?

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            6 months ago

            Mostly, yes. A Democratic President is just as responsible for representing them as they are Democrats. I wish it weren’t true, but that’s the job.

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              6 months ago

              But he’s not representing the people that voted for him…

              He’s doing what the people who will never vote for him and we’re constantly told are dangerous idiots want to happen.

              Why?

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                  6 months ago

                  when he’s just spinelessly following all of his predecessors

                  Even Ronald Reagan cut off aid to Israel due to their actions against Palestinians which was way less than this.

                  Obama also drew lines, and Israel didn’t cross them. Even though Biden argued with Obama over it

                  Part of that was probably Obama didn’t spend half a century loudly proclaiming that he’ll always support them.

                  Bill Clinton held Israel to a higher standard as well

                  This ain’t a binary thing, very few things are.

                  Biden unwavering support of Israel isn’t normal for either party

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                    6 months ago

                    Reagan sold munitions to Iran, who gave them to Hezbollah. Then after removing aid from Israel, he gave them military aid to attack Hezbollah in Lebanon. That fucker is the father of the Israel-Iran proxy war. I give him no credit for removing aid only to manipulate where Israel pointed the guns.

                    Biden, as you’ll see in the article I just linked, has declared Israel’s use of US arms to be against agreement, and will no longer supply offensive munitions. He took a while, but it seems he’s doing the right thing now.