Gretchen Whitmer responds to calls by some Democrats to vote ‘uncommitted’ in Michigan’s primary on Tuesday

Gretchen Whitmer, the Michigan governor, pushed back on calls to not vote for Joe Biden over his handling of the Israel-Gaza conflict, saying on Sunday that could help Trump get re-elected.

“It’s important not to lose sight of the fact that any vote that’s not cast for Joe Biden supports a second Trump term,” she said on Sunday during an interview on CNN’s State of the Union. “A second Trump term would be devastating. Not just on fundamental rights, not just on our democracy here at home, but also when it comes to foreign policy. This was a man who promoted a Muslim ban.”

Whitmer, who is a co-chair of Biden’s 2024 campaign, also said she wasn’t sure what to expect when it came to the protest vote.

Rashida Tlaib, a Democrat who is the only Palestinian-American serving in Congress, urged Democrats last week to vote “uncommitted” in Michigan’s 27 February primary.

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    Moving embassy to Jerusalem was bad because it basically spit in the face of Palestinians - but we are literally supplying bombs that are killing Palestinians right now.

    One’s a spit in the face. The other is a 2,000lb warhead in the face.

    Would Trump have done the same? Probably. But we know for a fact Biden did what he did.

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      Trump absolutely would support Israel AT LEAST as much as Biden does right now. I mean come on, Israel is killing lots of Muslims, that’s something Trump can always get behind.

      I used the example of the embassy since it’s something previous administrations wouldn’t have done as they knew it would only unnecessary put oil into the fire. And Biden damn sure knows this as well. Trump, either didn’t care or didn’t listen.

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        if i were a muslim i would not vote for biden. i wouldn’t vote for trump either… but definitely not biden

        again. we know with 100% certainty biden supports the genocide. even if trump is 95%, that’s still better odds

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          again. we know with 100% certainty biden supports the genocide. even if trump is 95%, that’s still better odds

          Then you simply didn’t pay attention to Trumps attitude to Muslims in general and advocating war crimes without any impunity. Trump absolutely would be worse than Biden in this situation. He for example for sure wouldn’t have made Netanyahu drop the complete blockade of food and water. He would have cheered this cruelty on.

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            i don’t know what trump would have done. neither do you. the guy’s a bit of a wild card. for example look at russia he’s totally down to just drop the ukraine war. meanwhile biden supports prolonging it however long is necessary

            i’m not defending trump i’m just saying if i were a muslim and especially if i were a Palestinian i would never vote for biden. it’s unforgivable. i support the muslims in michigan. if the democrats want votes, they need to push policies that the people actually want

            they can’t just expect people to keep voting for them because of the eternal right-wing boogeyman. because it’s getting so bad people are actually starting to wonder if maybe the far-right proto fascist is better and that’s a piss poor state of affairs for a democracy to be in

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              i don’t know what trump would have done. neither do you. the guy’s a bit of a wild card. for example look at russia he’s totally down to just drop the ukraine war. meanwhile biden supports prolonging it however long is necessary

              What are you talking about? Trump obviously wouldn’t support Ukraine. It’s really no secret that he’s in Russia’s pocket. His attitude towards Muslims also is something he’s very open about. Not to mention his love for strong-men wanna be dictators like Netanyahu is well known. To think that he would be better for Palestinians is ridiculous. So no, I’m absolutely certain that Trump would have handled this situation much worse and will handle it worse if he gets into office while it’s still raging.

              they can’t just expect people to keep voting for them because of the eternal right-wing boogeyman. because it’s getting so bad people are actually starting to wonder if maybe the far-right proto fascist is better and that’s a piss poor state of affairs for a democracy to be in

              Then these people are fucking stupid and don’t realise how much they have to loose living under fascism. Especially if their Muslims living in the US! The Israel Palestinian conflict is one thing, to loose democracy at home is something much worse.

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                What are you talking about? Trump obviously wouldn’t support Ukraine

                that’s what i’m saying. he would drop us’s support of the war, likely ending the war sooner. so he’s not necessarily a war monger. i don’t know for a fact he would support israel’s war in gaza. maybe he would, maybe he wouldn’t i don’t know.

                to loose democracy at home is something much worse.

                we have already lost democracy if we have no choice but to vote for someone. either way you don’t really have a choice. see what i mean? trump and biden are different pathways to the same end game. death of democracy

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                  that’s what i’m saying. he would drop us’s support of the war, likely ending the war sooner. so he’s not necessarily a war monger.

                  Well yes, in a conflict where he gets orders from Putin to not help, he of course doesn’t go to war. But his general attitude to war really isn’t a secret. That dude nearly started a war with Iran in his first term for example.

                  we have already lost democracy if we have no choice but to vote for someone. either way you don’t really have a choice. see what i mean? trump and biden are different pathways to the same end game. death of democracy

                  No! One candidate has already tried to overthrow an election he lost, the other didn’t and has been very outspoken for his support of democracy. If that’s really your take away from that then I really have no idea what you did in the last decade. You certainly didn’t payed attention to what’s going on.

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                    in a conflict where he gets orders from Putin to not help, he of course doesn’t go to war

                    it’s not because he gets orders from putin. it’s because he sees the writing on the wall that the war is over and he’s trying to get on the right side of history. the war will inevitably end with russia seizing territory. once that happens he can say “i told you so” and seem like he’s a peacemaker.

                    and he can say “why are we spending hundreds of billions of dollars on ukraine when they are going to lose anyway?” or “why are we spending hundreds of billions of dollars while americans are struggling to make ends meet”? or “why are we spending hundreds of billions of dollars supporting a war that is actively raising inflation across the globe, hurting americans?”

                    he doesn’t actually give a shit one way or the other - trump has no ideals or principles. but he’s betting that the public opinion against the war will sour soon. and if you look at the polls, that’s what is happening. americans are slowly losing their appetite for the ukraine war (republicans at a faster rate, but we’re seeing democrats too get war fatigue)

                    his anti-war stance is one of political opportunism. other politicians would do the same if they weren’t beholden to lockheed martin and friends. trump doesn’t give a shit about anyone and is willing to throw anyone under the bus and that works to his advantage

                    That dude nearly started a war with Iran in his first term for example.

                    the assassination of Soleimani was honestly criminal and stupid and basically ruined any chances for rapprochement with Iran and to top it off Trump killed the Iran nuclear deal. so yeah, i understand and agree with you here

                    but compare and contrast that situation with what’s going on right now. we’re 100x closer to war with Iran than we were under Trump. we’ve intercepted hundreds of missiles and missiles from iranian backed regimes. americans have already died from these attacks. we had to send two aircraft carriers to the middle east - something we didn’t even do during the invasion of Iraq

                    No! One candidate has already tried to overthrow an election he lost, the other didn’t and has been very outspoken for his support of democracy. If that’s really your take away from that then I really have no idea what you did in the last decade. You certainly didn’t payed attention to what’s going on.

                    i’m not denying that he tried to overthrow the election.

                    but what is the difference to me if I can’t vote versus I can only vote for one guy? there’s no functional difference. either way, i have no voice. in that case, maybe it’s better it be trump because it’s more honest. we’re becoming an oligarchic dictatorship regardless of who we elect