• Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee
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    It has been claimed that American opposition to the convention stems primarily from political and religious conservatives.

    Shocking.

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    The US did sign and help to draft it, but to ratify you need a 2/3rd majority in the Senate. And the conservatives in Congress want domestic control over all law making and enforcement.

    This could be an international treaty against punching kittens, and they would still vote no.

    Edit: It’s also worth adding that a) this (like US law) has carve outs that allow kids to work under certain conditions, and b) this isn’t a labor specific treaty. This covers corporal, punishment, criminal punishment, education, gender, and sexuality, healthcare and a number of other things that are hot button issues for American conservatives.

    Also, after this was drafted, the US has ratified international agreements on child labor.

    Saying this is just a labor thing isn’t the full story at all.

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      This could be an international treaty against punching kittens, and they would still vote no.

      Plus McConnell would never ratify a treaty that outlaws his favorite pastime.

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      For similar reasons the Tories in the UK want to throw away the current Human Rights Act.

      You know, just in case it has too many rights, and they want to remove some later.

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    American opposition to the convention stems primarily from political and religious conservatives. For example, The Heritage Foundation considers that “a civil society in which moral authority is exercised by religious congregations, family, and other private associations is fundamental to the American order”

    No surprise there

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    Don’t forget, our capitalists have been hard at work infecting the rest of the world with OUR greed disease. We’re the ones advocating other nations stop seeing their people as valued citizens and instead as capital livestock to be exploited mercilessly.

    Child labor exists elsewhere out of desperate, struggling developing economies. We’re worse imho, because we’re doing it amid record profits, because its never enough, and our gluttonous pig oligarch owners ever demanding mooooaaaaaar, exploiting these kids whose schools they’ve already destroyed and stole the funding of through tax evasion and legislative tax policy capture.

    We aren’t human to them, we’re capital livestock, which just makes our non-wealthy children capital veal.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/20/republican-child-labor-law-death

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      IMHO, the root of the issue is that the GOP has been dogmatically opposed to international law for decades now. They don’t like having to answer to anyone other than themselves. And you need 2/3rd of the senate to ratify.

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        It’s more than that, because Republican governors have been actively trying and succeeding in rolling back hard won child labor protection laws.

        It’s not just about not having the foreigns telling them what to do, it’s because Republicans want children providing cheap labor to boost their stock portfolio. Here. Now.

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      What children are being forced to work in dangerous places? Or missing school to do so? Is there a bunch of 4th graders missing school to go into the mines?

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        They’re literally getting dragged into machinery and killed on the job right now. Yes. Granted. They’re undocumented immigrants currently. So we’re not supposed to care about those. Inevitably though they will move on from abusing just those children.

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          Honestly anyone who would ask “where were they born” when considering whether to care about children getting hurt or killed is an unredeemable monster.

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          They have children doing tobacco farming. Tobacco. Farming. 'nuff said right there. This country is trash.

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      Capitalism isn’t exclusive to the US. It’s definitely a major breeding ground for the worst aspects of it, but it’s hardly unique in that regard.

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            That’s the dirty secret of capitalism: it’s actually just feudalism with a different set of qualifications for membership in the nobility.

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        Our brand of rigged market capitalism truly found it’s stride under Reagan’s deregulation giveaway. We’ve been exporting/advocating/bullying other developed nations to do the same ever since. There are tightly, tightly controlled, adequately taxed capitalist economies that focus on how REASONABLE capital incentive can benefit society (the point of any economy, that we’ve abandoned) that can work, like the Nordic model, but now we’re coming for that too, and we’ll do to them what we did to the UK and are doing to France.

        It’s an easy sell. A faustian bargain. You just need a few people in the right positions of power. “Hey, YOU can live larger. You can live like a modern pharoah. Just sell out your countrymen. Do you like yachts? How about yachts the size of cruise ships?”

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          And Margaret Thatcher was doing her own disassembly of worker’s rights. They enabled each other, but one wasn’t wholly dependent on the other for their actions.

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          If that’s literally your only metric, maybe.

          If there’s no child labor, then everything is a-okay in your book?

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            Oh you want more? How about:

            number of medical bankruptcies?
            Lack of workers rights?
            The school to prison pipeline?
            Lack of mental healthcare?

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    These high-minded treaties don’t actually mean anything - there’s no enforcement mechanism and countries with a much worse human-rights record than the USA have signed them without consequences. IMO it’s better not to sign them than it is to pretend that signing does any good and lend unearned legitimacy to those other countries.

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      The treaty itself does not have any enforcement mechanism; however the US does. US courts recognize ratified treaties as having equal weight to laws passed the normal way Ratifying the Treaty would immediately make it federal law. The US has a robust enough legal system that the courts would the (over years of building up case law) determine exactly what that means.

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        This.

        A treaty is a three step process. Draft, sign, ratify. This made it to step two, not step three for the US.

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    So might it be actionable that Israel is violating this? Not that I actually expect anything will really happen if this is pursued.

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    The US barely ever ratifies treaties that require international oversight. It’s the same reason we have the UCMJ and not the Hague court.

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        More like the US would rather keep its territorial integrity. They have the ability to deal with violations in house, no need to have international boards be used against us.

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          They have the ability to deal with violations in house

          riiiiiiight, no bias at all in that. Hey, we investigated ourselves and found we are not liable to war crimes we commit abroad. how bloody fucking convenient.

          Good job at giving Russia an excuse to be free of consequences when it finally loses in Ukraine. They’re probably going to make a case that they don’t need to have international boards be used against them too, no?

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            How would an international court be any less biased than a US court? Politics is politics just abiut everywhere.