I’m inclined to agree, but I also don’t know that a lack of munitions would definitely lead to less killing – Israel is a nuclear state, after all, and they seem very inclined to murder Palestinians. A worse-armed Israel might conceivably be even more indiscriminate (as hard to imagine as that is), and I’ve not sat in those JCS or whatever meetings to know what the rational is.
Maybe Biden is just genuinely prescribing his pro-Israel political opinions on the entire foreign policy. That doesn’t seem too likely, given that he’s Mr. Compromise.
Maybe the foreign policy really is just that entrenched in orthodoxy. That always seemed most probable to me, that the idea of in any way blinking in the support is just unimaginable to the top State and actual brass.
Maybe the situation has more complex concerns than any of us know. That’s pretty much certain.
As it is, I think Biden deserves heavy criticism for this foreign policy. It’s more than just a bad look. Aiding and abetting a genocide is not acceptable, full stop. But the idea that he’s not just failing to adequately stand up to it, but is indeed the cause of it is absurd, and either way one bad policy move shouldn’t completely wash away all the other progress – even though it does for so many people.
Personally, I like that he’s being protested like this. I just wish the conversation would stop ink-washing his entire term, obviating everything good that has happened. He’s not JUST the alternative to Trump. The IRA alone gives plenty of reason to earn a vote.
At least if we weren’t giving them weapons and money I wouldn’t feel culpable as an American. My vote went to Biden and now the blood of Palestinian children is on my hands, as it is all of us who voted for him.
They are just too stuck in their ways. I think that’s what it is. The political class in the US has been staunchly supporting Israel for decades without any push back through the fog of “it’s complicated” for oil and military presence.
But now that I and other Americans have looked into the situation there and the history, we can’t un-learn it. It’s the burden of knowledge. Now I understand why the UN and human rights organizations are always telling Israel to tone it down. He needs to at least stop helping them, at least show some backbone as Israel slaps us in our face as we politely ask if they can do a "two state solution, pretty please. Or kill less children pleeeese? "
This country is terrible. I hope something better rises out of the ashes and not just another huge authoritarian country like Russia.
Why is the blood on your hands? For voting for the guy who was less keen on killing Palestinians?
Do you forget that Trump intentionally and actively stirred the pot in the region? That he aligned himself with Bibi, not just Israel, because he likes tinpot dictators? Moved the embassy to Jerusalem just to stir shit up and make it messy? Appointed his son-in-law Jared Kushner in charge of peace negotiations because getting his special boy a cushy job mattered more than protecting life?
What could you have possibly done differently to protect life over there? Any other choice you would’ve made would’ve been a worse outcome for the region. THEN you would be culpable.
A vote is not some deep sign of moral commitment to the candidate. Get over yourself if you think it is. Votes are a commodity. You spend it to affect change. You don’t always get great value on your money, but you have to min max.
Trump is definitely worse, but Biden is still not great on this issue and theoretically represents the voters because he was elected. That is, if we were a proper democracy, which I don’t think we are as much as I used to. There’s not enough choice. Which is kind of ironic because we love to brag about being a democracy and force it on other countries.
If we start a major world conflict right now I’m sure it will create sufficient distraction from climate change that your kids won’t have anything to fight over.
Which is kind of back to my thesis – respect and acknowledge the IRA. It’s good shit that anyone who voted for Biden, even if it was just as a vote for “not Trump”, should be proud of it. Demanding more like it.
It’s fine, these peoples’ conscience will be clean and that’s all that matters. To them.
I mean, they shouldn’t be clean as their non-action will just result in far more Palestinian bloodshed. But that’s not what matters to them. As long as they don’t have to feel bad about it and can say “well I didn’t vote for Trump or Biden, so I didn’t vote for genocide”
You’re a stupid motherfucker. Remember this comment when Trump wins because idiots like you. You will not get to say that what comes next isn’t on you.
You think things are bad in Gaza now? Just wait. Voting for someone that just ensures a Trump win doesn’t absolve you.
I’m inclined to agree, but I also don’t know that a lack of munitions would definitely lead to less killing – Israel is a nuclear state, after all, and they seem very inclined to murder Palestinians. A worse-armed Israel might conceivably be even more indiscriminate (as hard to imagine as that is), and I’ve not sat in those JCS or whatever meetings to know what the rational is.
Maybe Biden is just genuinely prescribing his pro-Israel political opinions on the entire foreign policy. That doesn’t seem too likely, given that he’s Mr. Compromise.
Maybe the foreign policy really is just that entrenched in orthodoxy. That always seemed most probable to me, that the idea of in any way blinking in the support is just unimaginable to the top State and actual brass.
Maybe the situation has more complex concerns than any of us know. That’s pretty much certain.
As it is, I think Biden deserves heavy criticism for this foreign policy. It’s more than just a bad look. Aiding and abetting a genocide is not acceptable, full stop. But the idea that he’s not just failing to adequately stand up to it, but is indeed the cause of it is absurd, and either way one bad policy move shouldn’t completely wash away all the other progress – even though it does for so many people.
Personally, I like that he’s being protested like this. I just wish the conversation would stop ink-washing his entire term, obviating everything good that has happened. He’s not JUST the alternative to Trump. The IRA alone gives plenty of reason to earn a vote.
At least if we weren’t giving them weapons and money I wouldn’t feel culpable as an American. My vote went to Biden and now the blood of Palestinian children is on my hands, as it is all of us who voted for him.
They are just too stuck in their ways. I think that’s what it is. The political class in the US has been staunchly supporting Israel for decades without any push back through the fog of “it’s complicated” for oil and military presence.
But now that I and other Americans have looked into the situation there and the history, we can’t un-learn it. It’s the burden of knowledge. Now I understand why the UN and human rights organizations are always telling Israel to tone it down. He needs to at least stop helping them, at least show some backbone as Israel slaps us in our face as we politely ask if they can do a "two state solution, pretty please. Or kill less children pleeeese? "
This country is terrible. I hope something better rises out of the ashes and not just another huge authoritarian country like Russia.
Why is the blood on your hands? For voting for the guy who was less keen on killing Palestinians?
Do you forget that Trump intentionally and actively stirred the pot in the region? That he aligned himself with Bibi, not just Israel, because he likes tinpot dictators? Moved the embassy to Jerusalem just to stir shit up and make it messy? Appointed his son-in-law Jared Kushner in charge of peace negotiations because getting his special boy a cushy job mattered more than protecting life?
What could you have possibly done differently to protect life over there? Any other choice you would’ve made would’ve been a worse outcome for the region. THEN you would be culpable.
A vote is not some deep sign of moral commitment to the candidate. Get over yourself if you think it is. Votes are a commodity. You spend it to affect change. You don’t always get great value on your money, but you have to min max.
Trump is definitely worse, but Biden is still not great on this issue and theoretically represents the voters because he was elected. That is, if we were a proper democracy, which I don’t think we are as much as I used to. There’s not enough choice. Which is kind of ironic because we love to brag about being a democracy and force it on other countries.
This whole thing has made me understand anti-abortion voters.
Sometimes you see something that is so fucking horrific that you can not support anyone who is supporting it.
I was against killing innocents when we did it and I still am.
I keep hearing about how I am supposed to be more conservative as I age, but the older I get the more radical, I am becoming.
At what point do we just burn the system down for supporting this kind of shit?
The war is fucking coming either way, I’d rather it be now, so I can fight it instead of my kids.
If we start a major world conflict right now I’m sure it will create sufficient distraction from climate change that your kids won’t have anything to fight over.
Which is kind of back to my thesis – respect and acknowledge the IRA. It’s good shit that anyone who voted for Biden, even if it was just as a vote for “not Trump”, should be proud of it. Demanding more like it.
It’s fine, these peoples’ conscience will be clean and that’s all that matters. To them.
I mean, they shouldn’t be clean as their non-action will just result in far more Palestinian bloodshed. But that’s not what matters to them. As long as they don’t have to feel bad about it and can say “well I didn’t vote for Trump or Biden, so I didn’t vote for genocide”
You’re a stupid motherfucker. Remember this comment when Trump wins because idiots like you. You will not get to say that what comes next isn’t on you.
You think things are bad in Gaza now? Just wait. Voting for someone that just ensures a Trump win doesn’t absolve you.
How many actual genocide did Trump pull off?
0?
Seems like only one of them has actually supported genocide.
That said, I can’t wait until his grave is a public toilet