• Raphael@lemmy.world
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    South America has suffered with American coups for many decades now, none of us want to take part on America’s Proxy Wars.

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      You know Ukraine is located in Europe right? And this is more of a case of shoring up Europe’s borders against an agresssor trying to reclaim they former territory?

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        Why is the agressor attacking Ukraine though, has any liberal journal told you the reason? Has any of them told you about the american military bases quickly encroaching into Russian territory?

        Has any of them told you the kind of policies Zelensky implemented? No, they haven’t.

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          Last I checked, having a military base is not grounds for invasion and sovereign countries have a right to determine their alliances.

          And even if it was grounds for an invasion, which it emphatically is not, Ukraine didn’t have any and the major European states were against Ukraine joining NATO until after the invasion.

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              So you approve of the United States actions towards Cuba then? Since you approve of Russias actions towards Ukraine?

              Right, didn’t think so.

              Why it’s almost like you aren’t basing your stance on any kind of ethical value or set of principles at all….

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                Last I checked, having a military base is not grounds for invasion and sovereign countries have a right to determine their alliances.

                What I think doesn’t affect the fact that US policy considers having a military base to be grounds for invasion. In fact, I have no influence on US or Russian foreign policy and what I think about it doesn’t matter. The fact is that the policy is pretty consistent (FWIW, out of the big powers only China hasn’t actively invaded everyone who drops a military base near them). Stick to the facts.

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                  The facts include the fact that Ukraine doesn’t have any American military bases.

                  So you are still wrong.

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                    https://www.kyivpost.com/post/10511

                    The Minister of Defense claims that they are (were) drawing up plans for the construction of NATO bases in the country as early as 2020.

                    Now, sure, Eastern European countries are well-known for being hopelessly corrupt and talking out of their asses so anything their government says is worthless, but Ukraine has consistently postured that they would like to join NATO and NATO has consistently postured that they would like for Ukraine to join NATO.

                    https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/why-nato-has-become-flash-point-russia-ukraine

                    Plus, the Monroe Doctrine (which motivated US action in Cuba, Costa Rica, Guatemala, the Dominican Republic, Chile, Bolivia, Argentina, Nicaragua, Grenada, and Panama) literally describes exactly Russia’s motivations… So it doesn’t matter if you or I don’t like it, because geopolitics has no morals and Russia and the US operate on a whole other plane of what’s “right” and what’s “wrong” than the rest of us.

                    These countries think that they should be in control of the entire world and that the entire world would be a better place if they were in control. They trample over other countries’ right to self-determination and force changes that the population itself doesn’t want in the name of ideals that never realize.

                    So are you really surprised that Latin American countries don’t want to align themselves with the West?

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        Just like Europe has been in favour of war crimes in South America for centuries. First directly and then indirectly through supporting the US.

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          Nice whataboutism you got there. There is such a thing as “the good fight”. Either you stand behind Ukraine in their fight for survival, or behind russia in their demonstration of what happens when a country is collectively falling apart due to fetal alcohol spectrum disorder.

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            I mean clearly there is a third option - being a knob and claiming you’re always right no matter what the facts say