- cross-posted to:
- asklemmy@lemmy.world
- politics@lemmy.world
- cross-posted to:
- asklemmy@lemmy.world
- politics@lemmy.world
You must log in or register to comment.
All of the companies that would instantly start losing a billion dollars per second would never allow this to happen. This isn’t some 3rd world country where Google and Apple and Facebook aren’t headquartered. The internet will always be happening here. They’re completely dependent on it and their customer’s constant access to it.
Our econnomy is heavily tied to the Internet at this point. Billions in commerce are conducted directly and many billions more in enabled (“what’s the closest pizza place?”). Not to mention stock trading, banking, government services, healthcare, etc. You’re very much on track here and I don’t think it’s hyperbole.
While it could technically happen that our government could legally shut down the internet, it wouldn’t last long or it means we are under attack (perhaps internally) and need to control damage/messaging.
How much of the infrastructure is government owned? Any if it? I do not think he could do this even if he ordered it.
The alphabet agencies are fully capable of doing whatever is needed, they’re the ones that patch peoples systems for them or hack PCs through the power grid and other crazy shit.
If the American government wants the internet to be cut off they’re capable of doing it without the assistance of the ISPs
Aren’t all 3 of those actually headquartered in Ireland (for tax reasons)?
I’m seeing a lot of Newsweek posted here and that is disheartening, to say the least. Newsweek is half a step from the dailymail’s level of bombastic misrepresentation. Continued use of Newsweek as a source is not ideal as a result.
I’m surprised how many users upvotes click bait headlines.
This is literally impossible to do without total economic and social collapse. It’s like saying you are going to shut off the electrical grid.
Moronic statements made by moronic people who don’t understand what the internet is and think internet = websites.
Right? No internet means no economy. Even the simplest daily things like getting gas require an internet connection.
Literally every part of critical infrastructure has been connected to the internet.
No internet means no water, electricity, emergency services, financial services, waste management…
It’s the digital rod for our modern back.
Most of those emergency services have fall-backs for loss of connectivity. A lot of cases you need people manning consoles that are usually remote.
Financial services are probably hardest hit. They still have a lot of private networks to keep themselves up say if they just iced DNS.
But yeah, if they just proclaim no network anywhere financial would be doa.
If there’s a civil war in the U.S., they’ll absolutely tank the economy to stop the people from rising up. They’re tyrants. They don’t care about the well-being of the country but about maintaining their power over others.
Did you know that in South Africa, the power is shut regularly by their government?
I think you missed the point the other person was trying to make. They mean shut off all electrical grids. I don’t think South Africa has that power.
Brownouts are not the same as shutting down the grid mate.
SA has rolling brownouts because the grid cannot handle the demand. My example is that the whole grid shuts down. No country has ever done this.
It’s not a big truck
It’s not something you can just dump something off of
It’s a series of tubes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cZC67wXUTs
Genuinely a cool song!
I know that qoute is a meme and all, but honestly I think the old dude had an idea of how the internet works and comparing it to a series of tubes aint completely wrong. I think he was just kinda bad at explaining it.
It’s possible that he saw the episode and thought it was real.
Miles Taylor, Trump’s former chief of staff at the Department of Homeland Security, was asked on MSNBC about what potential damage the former president, who is the frontrunner in the GOP primaries, could do in government without breaking the law.
“The possibilities are almost limitless,” Taylor said. “The biggest concerns for me are on the national security side. I think Americans still don’t understand the full extent of the president’s powers and things Donald Trump could do, bubble-wrapped in legalese, that would be damaging to the republic.”
“He could invoke powers we’ve never heard a President of the United States invoke—potentially to shut down companies or turn off the internet or deploy the U.S. military on U.S. soil,” he added. "We don’t know because the things that are in there, the emergency powers of the president, aren’t widely known to the American people.
I doubt the president who lives on the internet & relies on it to connect with his superfans would disable it.
Not for the people he likes.
So no one said that he would or even may turn off the internet, but that he may use legalize and his emergency presidential powers, if elected, to do something crazy. The person talking about it was spitballing and included turning the internet off as a example of something crazy that he might do.
Edit: He indeed talked about geoblocking countries with groups like ISIS operating within them. At least that is what I assume he meant with his word salad. This is from post below mine. Still not turning off internet.
Oh Trump has blubbered about it enough that I would take it seriously.
It wouldn’t be a legal mechanism if there was something stopping him from doing it.(from the article)
“We’re losing a lot of people because of the internet,” Trump said. “We have to go see Bill Gates and a lot of different people that really understand what’s happening. We have to talk to them about, maybe in certain areas, closing that Internet up in some way. Somebody will say, ‘Oh freedom of speech, freedom of speech.’ These are foolish people. We have a lot of foolish people.”
“ISIS is recruiting through the Internet. ISIS is using the internet better than we are using the nternet and it was our idea,” Trump said. “I want to get the brilliant people from Silicon Valley and other places and figure out a way that ISIS can’t do what they’re doing. I would certainly be open to closing areas where we are at war with somebody. I sure as hell don’t want to let people that want to kill us and kill our nation use our Internet.”
When challenged, he added: “I’m not talking about closing the internet. I’m talking about closing parts of the internet where ISIS is.”
Fair enough. I can be incorrect. Still doesn’t say he planning on shutting down the internet, but I wouldn’t put it past him if it would serve his best interest. It doesn’t seem he even really understands what the internet is and how it works.
Quick, hide that internet button so that grandpa can’t switch it off!
“Go ahead and pull the internet plug, gramps! I’ll be pulling your plug soon enough anyways”
I think he is too much of a narcissist to do something that would reduce the amount of attention he could receive.
Also:
Will he personally pull the plug off the wall so that ISIS stops being a meanie?
he learned that idea when he visited his buddy Kim in North Korea
To be clear this is unlikely to be a long term nation wide internet blackout. Rather, e.g., turn off the Internet in a section of a city and send in troops to deal with a protest.
Oh, that’s okay then!
Phew for a minute I was worried
I would have accepted this take in 2016 but not anymore. He’s running again to avoid the consequences of his shitty stupid choices. If he wins he’s gonna feel completely unshackled.
Oh and his allies have already been stacking the bureaucracy with loyalists. There won’t be any voices of reason in second administration because they already chased those people off.
deleted by creator
My balls might turn off the internet
Is this enough dictator behavior to call him an aspiring dictator for you yet?
“Just on day one”
No no baby, just the tip
It’s dick tater
Only if he actually does it.
Lol every country on the brink that has tried this has incited their own revolution. When people loose their distraction machines they tend to aim anger in the right direction. I say turn it off.
deleted by creator
ROFL!!
If anything would get people fired up for a coup, it’s that.
How would you communicate about it? Lol
I imagine the same way all meetings, coups, revolutions, and the like has happened since the beginning of humanity:
You meet and talk in person.
You really think us young adults who have grown up in a world never knowing a time without internet would be able to actually pull that off? I know I couldn’t, even if I tried.
You really think if everyone lost access to their porn machines they wouldn’t immediately call up their friends and say wtf?
That call likely uses the Internet as well.
People generally use apps and such, but as far as I’m aware most phones still come with a phone number these days
What’s your point?
As soon as your calls makes it to a cell tower it gets encapsulated and routed over a telco’s network. Any call you make from one call provider to another will traverse the internet. And depending on the extent of the thought experiment for disabling the internet, you could include disabling individual telco’s networks as well, meaning you won’t be calling anyone… except for maybe someone on the same tower as you.
That’s kinda sad ngl
Yeah. I fumble my words on the phone whenever I speak on the phone. I know it’s sad, but that’s me.
That used to be me. I know it’s cliche but if you just push yourself a little bit to get some experience it really does help :)
In secret like we use to.
Bluetooth
Building meshnets
We never actually needed corporations to maintain the internet. The people have just been too lazy and selfish to bother searching out alternatives.
