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You’re not getting your way, that’s why you keep talking. Every response you give has been nothing except the ignorant, petty, immature ramblings I’ve come to expect out of Lemmy. Saying and doing anything to try to win a confrontation instead of sitting down and thinking about what you and your opponent is saying, and that’s why I say this is why Lemmy is a perfect sample of America and why therefore America needs to crash and burn.

And you do. And you likely will at the end of the year, and it’ll be sad, so sad, but you have brought every single ounce of the consequences you’ve been building up onto yourselves.

It never occurs to you that your behavior is alienating people away from Democrats and convincing people to vote third party in this next election either, but you don’t actually give a shit about the future of your country so of course you wouldn’t. 🤷

Not my problem. It’s all on you.

Then don’t waste my time arguing with me trying to convince me to change my opinion of you, because until you change, and Lemmy itself changes, you’re not going to get your way. It’s as simple as that.

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You’re here doing nothing but criticizing the fact that I am arguing with you instead of thinking about what I said and realizing you simply misunderstood, so yes. You are a perfect example of that lowest common denominator.

You want my opinion to change? Delete your responses to me, apologize to me for wasting my time, and move on.

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Wow, holy shit 🤣 Okay, let’s break this down:

This is an understandable sentiment, but telling everyone about the charges for which this person has served their sentence in order to rally the rest of the workplace to look for ways to get them sacked is super-likely to see you face consequences for bullying.

Uniting with other people who feel the same way isn’t bullying, it’s a sign the complaint is legitimate. If a group of people complaining about another coworker is bullying, then nothing could be done about anyone. And they couldn’t unionize either.

Bottom line is, employees coming together over a common problem, even one employee rallying others, is done for many legitimate reasons, situations like this included. Even if you don’t agree with anything standing in the way of a known rapist working around women.

If you don’t want to work with this person, consider explaining the circumstances to HR (noting that your friend was a victim), and say it’ll be too traumatic to work alongside them. This seems like a reasonable request to me, which should be accommodated - particularly if HR are already aware of the conviction.

Which will force the victim, or potential victim, to cede territory to the rapist, enabling the rapist to continue harming others. 🤔 Legally, it may or may not benefit OP depending on how they respond, but it’s really not asking enough. They need to ask for the rapist to be moved. For which they’ll need the backing of other people.

If you want vengeance, figure out a way that isn’t going to put your livelihood in jeopardy.

No one even mentioned vengeance. Strawman elsewhere.

Don’t squeeze more negative consequences out of an already shitty situation.

Hahaha you just come right the fuck out and say it.

No negative consequences for rape allowed, rapists should be able to rape and live their lives unabated.

And if we say otherwise, well, negative consequences might come upon us.

Finally, you need to consider the society you’re advocating for -

Ironically I agree with you. This is a horrifying authoritarian slave racket masquerading as a representative democracy, which is run by rapists. And we unironically do have to consider their feelings, because they are the cops, judges and employers who tell others what to do and can do anything they want to you with no consequences. If we let offenders experience consequences on others for doing terrible things, that means they might have to face the music, and we all know they shouldn’t have to handle that.

No man should have to experience consequences for rape. It’d be too much of a threat to the society that built itself on rape.

if we’re abandoning the rule of law to keep people out of work and unable to support themselves after serving their time, we’re relegating them to be either wards of the state or homeless. We’ve already seen the issues caused by felons being barred from voting and its interplay with racial and political dynamics - how do you think manufacturing a desperate criminal underclass will work out for society?

1. A company is not an agent of the law and what it does has no bearing on the rule of law

2. Banning rapists from working around women in no wa would break the rule of law if it was an actual law. We already have sex offender registries and yet somehow the world will keep on turning

3. Rapists can go take jobs that doesn’t require them to be around other people.

4. Blackmailing and threatening us with the implied threat of harm from disenfranchised rapists is the exact same vengeance you accuse your opponents of having. You literally became exactly what you claim to hate. You. The one wielding it like an emotional cudgel when no one brought it up. But it is certainly like you to project your faults onto others. It’s what rape apologists do, after all.

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Haha, well this aged like milk

Criticizing my response instead of directing it is exactly the kind of shit behavior I’m talking about. Thanks for proving me right about you, like you always do.

Yeah, they do, because it works and because it is the more just option in some instances.

I, for example, am on .cafe allowing my account to be downvoted by rape apologists who are arguing rapists have an absolute right to participate in the community regardless of what they do and the fact that their actions put the community in danger. I oppose rape on principle and think rapists ought to be jailed for life. You think shit Lemmy users are going to listen? No, and the downvotes prove it. But will it affect or change anything? Or change their minds? Absolutely not. Because humanity is inherently evil and violent, and nothing you and I say or do will change that.

You can’t make violent evil people change their minds, and you can never stop violence just as I can never stop enablers from keeping rapists in the community.

Deontological morality like the kind you and I apply to such situations therefore doesn’t work, and we both need to rethink our approach. You want to make the world a better place? Stop focusing on changing the zoo animals and just feed and cage them, where they belong.