• tjhart85@kbin.social
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    I mean, their use of ‘THEN’ rather than ‘THAN’ indicates that they’ll soon adopt the socialist agenda, so there’s still hope!

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    This is just basic psychology. It takes a long time to change someone’s political beliefs, and it isn’t effective to just argue with people, even with facts. Interestingly, one way to get people to change their opinion is to frame things in terms of how it affects them and their family.

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      It took me…I’d say 2 years from being a full conservative to a left-leaning independent. And then another 2 years to being a moderate to progressive liberal.

      It does happen. But some people are so rooted in their political identity that they will never change.

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    Marxist Leninists when they haven’t ignored 150 years of contemporary political science for sixteen microseconds

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        Mostly the parts where autocracy doesn’t liberate the workers. Even temporarily.

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          Every time I start to listen and learn from people more left than I am, they get to the part about how after revolution there’s probably going to be a period of autocratic rule that should then dissolve by the will of the people. Except none of them talk about plans to actually facilitate the transfer of power, or better yet, prove Lenin wrong by not going thru a period of more authoritarianism.

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            And “communism has never been tried” is such a stupid word game.

            They tried to try. What happened, fellas? How’d it go?

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              If anything, communism has been tried, but it’s never been achieved. A stateless, classless, currencyless society still sounds frickin awesome… But that’s not we’ve had :(

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    The core values of libertarianism: (god I wish I saved the original reddit comment, oh well I’ll paraphrase)

    “Yes it’s fascist pseudoscience with no basis in reality, however it’s still a useful theory so I’m going to continue to believe it”

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          it took me a long time to realise that just because it has the word liberty (almost) in it, doesn’t mean it’s a left-wing idea.

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          Left libertarianism was first… But nowadays it only exists to “well actually” people with, at least in the US.

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            Yeah. In Poland libertatrianism started around 1980 with a pretty fun episode when Janusz Korwin-Mikke went to the famous opening strike of solidarność in the Gdańsk Shipyard and preached to them the virtues of capitalism and free market. Shocked workers listened to the nonsense, concluded he has to be a militia provocateur (he really wasn’t) and locked him in the shed.

            Currently, polish libertarians have such overlap with monarchists and neonazis they are even for years in a single political party - Konfederacja.