• Kindness is Punk@lemmy.ca
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    4 days ago

    This isn’t tankie defense or whataboutism. I know what China’s done is inexcusable and will be another black mark in their history books. It’s genuine curiosity.

    How do you think ICEs operations in the United States, and treatment of immigrants compare to the treatment of Uyghur Muslims in China’s re-education camps and are there parallels or is it surface level?

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      4 days ago

      There are definite parallels, but I think they relate more broadly to the general behavior of authoritarian states rather than being exceptional comparable as policies. ICE is currently being used as to scapegoat ‘foreigners’ using bureaucratic violations, real or just percieved, to justify expelling them from US territory, with probably the ultimate goal of extending this to citizens and the general operation of a secret police on US soil. I would compare this more to internal Israeli policy for the first few decades of its existence with regards to Palestinians - the goal is expulsion, using a legal gray area (that is, nonetheless, plainly and unambiguously morally abhorrent) to engage in a form of ethnic cleansing.

      China’s current policy resembles more the Residential Schools of the US and Canada in the 19th and 20th centuries, wherein the culture of a native society is stomped out by a mixture of violence, relocation, sterilization, and economic and political pressure, with the end-goal of either reducing their numbers to the point of being entirely marginalized or exterminated, or eliminating their culture and ethnic existence by force. Or else the Turkish treatment of the Kurds and other ethnic minorities in the mid-late-20th century. The goal is the destruction of the ethnicity itself, not just its removal from valuable territory.

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        That makes sense I remember reading an article warning that Israel was a testing ground for how the United States would handle public dissent.

        I wish China could understand that repeated denial of their misdeeds serves only to discredit them in times of progress and prosperity and it’s only added to the negative perception they have from the public abroad.

        Thank you for the thorough reply and I think it’s helped me understand both concepts a little better.