I‘m super excited about all the hard evidence we will surely get to see very soon! Can’t wait!
He heard of all the evidence from another dude and he said “trust me bro”, this has to be valid!!!
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Why would the DoD be immune to having crazy people? 90% of the crazy people I’ve met in my life have served at some point. It’s not like the DoD is known for their robust mental health screening and/or treatment facilities.
Because we rely on them for our military and infrastructure. And yes the DoD is known to mentally screen people before hiring them.
like the guy recently who was obviously mentally unstable and was still allowed to work with and eventually leak sentitive info on fuckin discord? hows your “”“screening”“” going?
The DoD top secret clearance requires a polygraph and an extensive background check. They really don’t let just anyone join.
Polygraphs are nonsense.
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Good job they’re reliable and not absolute pieces of junk that mean fuck all. Oh, wait.
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Honestly it’s probably just bullshit they made up because if they didn’t find something else to do the gov would have to help regular people.
I actually think it’s bullshit to try and trick China into thinking the ship based laser missile defence system is able to create sustained plasma interactions at high altitude, they used to do the same to the Soviets all the time - push fake news so they’d waste r&d money. They hope china sees how much effort they’re going to with this farce and assumes it’s to hide the experimental anti missile defences which are the actual source of the tictac videos and radar recordings.
But I think that’s just me being hopeful, I wouldn’t be surprised if the US gov doesn’t know if they have probably the biggest and most important discovery in centuries being kept secret by shadowy secret agencies so they need to hold hearings with obscure and clearly oddball whistle blowers to try and find out…
A fraction of Anonymous apparently hacked into secret NASA servers and obtained massive amount of documents containing UPOs and UFOs. Soon to be revealed.
Oh come on. Anonymous, apparently, soon … classic bullshit cocktail if I‘ve ever seen one. All they do is ddos websites these days.
lmao. “soon”
Remember “Alien Autopsy” back in the 90s?
Presented with a completely deadpan face by Jonathan Frakes from Star Trek: TNG, I thought at the time just what a coincidence it was that this “bold” bit of “journalism” came out at precisely a time when Hollywood had developed its’ makeup and prostheses technology enough to make a visually believable fake video on the subject.
A very large coincidence indeed. Wouldn’t you say?
And so it always is and has been with this subject and the people that swirl around t.
Doubt
Trust me bro
Yeah? I got sky trash and some chicken in the fridge too! They ain’t special.
I’ll believe it when I see it.
You know it when you see it. Believing is for things you never have seen.
Thats the point of the phrase. The idea is so unbelievable that it needs to be personally verified before it can be taken seriously…
Not to mention, you can see something and still not ‘know’ - stage magic, for one.
See also: ‘it has to be seen to be believed’; ‘i cant believe my eyes’; the word ‘unbelievable’
No end of useless pedantry these days
Yeah, no. You’re equating belief with faith.
I don’t “believe” things until that belief is justified.
Question for you, do you believe in Evolution?
Bruh. Literally thousands of studies out there demonstrate the principle of evolution. You need only look at dog breeding or crop breeding to see it in action, albeit human induced instead of natural.
We dont believe in evolution because one guy said it was true. And dont give me that ‘hurr durr but Darwin said it was true’ nonsense. He did (as did other contemporaries of his time) but it wasnt accepted until overwhelming evidence from countless observations and studies made it obvious.
Now lets look at this situation. One guy says he heard the government has non human remains. Not exactly the analogy you thought you were making.
And Ill cut this off at the pass because the next argument I always hear usually boils down to ‘we can only know what we see’ which is basically a solopsist argument. Which is self defeating because then you absolutely cant argue there’s merit to this guy’s testimony because you cant be sure of anything.
Except it’s not just one guy saying aliens are here, it’s hundreds, and these three said it under oath unlike the scientists you speak of. Yet you believe the word of the scientists and not the word of these men. You don’t see the hypocrisy there?
Easy, Mac
The scientists dont just say it. They document and present evidence, which is then reviewed, reproduced and confirmed by other scientists
These men… not so much
I have bigfoot in my fridge. I will testify to this under oath. Now you must believe me.
Oh fuck.
evolution
Doesn’t require “belief”. Like gravity, it unfolds with you or without you.
@DaughterOfMars @Holyginz You can see it scientifically. So, yes.
Oh, you can, surely. But have you? As Mac says, “Have you seen these fossil records? Have you poured through the data yourself? The numbers, the figures?”
Confidently denying something because you haven’t personally seen the evidence makes you look as much an idiot as confidently accepting it without evidence.
My guy, as respectfully as possible what the fuck are you smoking
Crack cocaine, what of it?
I get what you are trying to say, but one thing is a completely belief system while the other can be verified and ha been verified by several people that have studied it. Like, yeah you can “study” theism but you will never be able to see the evidence, while in the other case, you can.
I decide to trust people that have shown images and data about the evidence, that are way more prepared than me to research that field. I don’t have enough interest to actually do all the groundwork myself, so I decide to trust the people that are authorities in that field, whom have the proven experience and studies that validate their authority.
As I said, I cannot do the same thing with religious facts, it’s all “he said, she said, it’s in the book, the Lord commanded”… There’s no evidence, no real infraestructure of proof and validation, it’s a complete belief system, and that’s why I don’t consider those people and organizations authorities in these kind of topics.
It’s really simple tbh.
Have you ever seen your brain? I didn’t. Can I assume that you have a pile of racoon vomit instead of it? Of course I can, and actually I will, and I will not allow for any other information until you personally show me the entirety of your brain.
Now you’re getting it!
@DaughterOfMars Are you asking if I was “boots on the ground” with archeologists? Nope. However, considering humans, I consider people admitting they might be wrong and adopting better concepts as evolution. Evolution is not about intelligence, but, adaptation to survive. I would say I have seen evolution, personally, in my life.
@DaughterOfMars Funny thing…our “intelligence” went only so far. Now, it seems that all the people who piggybacked the science and don’t truly understand it are going to kill us.
Bit of a nitpick, but adaptation is not evolution. I was about to say that you cannot observe capital E Evolution in your own lifetime but then I remembered stuff on the bacterial scale that reproduces at break neck pace and is absolutely observable. HIV is one of these examples.
Indeed, micro-evolution is quite fast because the rate of mutation is relatively high and generations are short. Macro-evolution is actually not generally well-understood by lay-people, primarily because it involves thinking on a scale that is so far outside of our short lifetimes. Not many people are capable of thinking on a scale outside of their own asses let alone across thousands of generations, hence the severe level of closed-mindedness in this thread alone…
I think the idea I was referencing when I mentioned evolution not being observable in one’s lifetime is actually better stated as:
Evolution cannot be observed in the lifetime of an individual of the species in question. I.E. A HIV “cell” won’t live to see the evolved, drug-resistant ones down the line
Here’s my point: Your reasons for believing in Evolution are your own, but don’t pretend that you know it for a fact. We all have to accept things we cannot personally verify to make progress as a society and that very progress should be your driving force, NOT your own biases.
@DaughterOfMars If that is the answer, why ask the question? Science is not my “bias.” We can choose to teust the professionals or not. I just gave you my reason for my belief that evolution is real and how I have seen it. I left Twitter for this type of ridicule from religious nuts and flat earthers. I take it you saw my profile. Regardless, make peace with yourself and have humility.
😂 Why on earth would you think I give a shit about you enough to read your profile? How self-centered can you be…unbelievable. Maybe you should ask yourself why you’re spending time in a community about UFOs if you’re not willing to accept the possibility that they exist. You realize that makes you one of those trolls you mention, don’t you? Don’t you??
Duh
You make my point so eloquently. You take it as a matter of fact that Evolution exists, despite never actually validating this yourself. It is, in your eyes, ridiculous to think that it doesn’t exist – after all, you were taught that it does in school. But before the 19th century the theory of Evolution didn’t even exist. Probably some speculated about it, but were not taken seriously. Yet you have fully accepted it without, as you say, seeing it.
Yea, that doesn’t prove anything. There’s countless research and information documenting evolution happening over time. Hell there are some cases of it noticeably happening as well. There is no information about these "ufo"s outside of what is mentioned here. No data that’s currently available to back it up and nothing to prove that this person coming forward isn’t being told incorrect information themselves. The likelihood of something like this is so statistically low that nobody should be taking it at face value without verifiable proof. “Trust me bro” is not, never has been and never will be good enough scientifically.
Do you think, then, that we should reverse any decisions made purely on witness testimony? Grusch spent four years investigating this in his official position and is testifying under oath that he has seen incontrovertible evidence of it. That IS proof, and about as damn good testimony as we’ve ever had in our history.
But look, I know you’re not going to change your mind, because you are as inflexible in your beliefs as a brick. I’m only making a point here because other, more mature folks may happen upon it and I want them to know how much of a mongoloid you are for coming into a UFO community just to fart out your brain-dead, parroted opinion for us all to ruminate in.
Do you think, then, that we should reverse any decisions made purely on witness testimony?
Yes. Eyewitness testimony alone shouldn’t be enough to convict anyone.
Ah, so then you think Bill Cosby should walk free, yes?
‘Mongoloid’ is a slur - it was once used to refer to people with Down Syndrome, due to a C19th doctor comparing physical features of Down Syndrome parients with those of Mongolian people.
This doctor wrote that Down Syndrome was a reversion to an ‘inferior race’.
It is both racist and ablist :/
I hear you, but to be completely honest almost all of our “insult” words and phrases are derived from pretty abhorrent places. There’s really no point in substituting one for the other when you’re trying to tell someone you think they are stupid.
Lol, I couldn’t care less about the insults of someone lacking critical thinking skills who upon being called out for lack of scientific knowledge tries to act intelligent without even understanding the concepts you are trying to talk about. If they provide actual evidence I will believe it. Until then I’m not buying it. You are free to continue believing anyone who makes am unsubstantiated claim before any evidence is provided. Oh, and I know a saying that you should really take to heart. “It’s better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and prove you are.” Just a little friendly advice, hope it was eloquent enough for you to understand :)
We don’t need to validate that it exists because science has proven it over and over countless times.
Have you ever validated for yourself that an element like lithium exists?
Have you ever validated for yourself that nuclear fission exists?
Have you ever validated for yourself that E=mc^2?
Have you ever validated for yourself that antibiotics like penicillin actually do what they purport to do?
Nope, but I don’t go around pretending I have. You see, unlike you I am open to changing my opinion based on evidence.
Pretty sure that’s exactly what “believe it when I see it” means.
No, it means “I am going to dismiss any and all evidence until such a time as it satisfies my definition of believable.”
Not to mention your example is extremely flawed. Evolution usually happens over long periods of time and you can only see the results of it. What they are claiming is something physical that you can see and touch and acquire physical proof of. It’s not even remotely the same.
You’re saying there’s no physical proof of evolution?
No, he explicitly said we see the results of it.
If it involves, “its classified” its fake.
If the story involves naked aliens, its fake.
If it involves abductions, humans are doing the abducting, or its fake.
So it’s humans abducting clothed aliens by that logic?
Dang! Fooled again!
That title leaves room for speculation, my guess:
““A boomerang of unidentified ownership has hit the presidents dog on the head, it succumbed to its injuries” - secret service member says”
Oh wait its multiple “non-human” bodies
Good to see AOC asking decent questions, and the non partisan nature of the hearing was really interesting. No political point scoring whatsoever except for one republican at the start.
Why do aliens only crash in the USA?
As mentioned in the hearings yesterday, this is a worldwide, common phenomenon.
That just makes it so much harder to belive for me, aliens literally raining down all over the earth but somehow despite not being able to agree on literally anything ever it’s just standard procedure for every country in the world to do a perfect cover up of such a hugely significant thing?
I don’t think this is as secret as you think it is
UK : https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ufos/
New Zealand: https://natlib.govt.nz/records/22979464
You can find this stuff everywhere. UAPs rarely “crash” per records worldwide. Crashes seem to be very old finds.
Also there is always the chance it’s a massive embezzlement scheme too, which is also worth investigation.
The people in Varginha Brazil would like a word
I want to meet a Brazilian Varginhas.
Nah see that’s the “best” part. Supposedly, the UFO crashed into Fascist Italy in the 1930s and the Vatican, of all things, found out and back-channeled the information to the US, and the US only, for whatever reason. It then apparently just chilled in Mussolinis lockbox for a decade until the US supposedly retrieved the craft in 1945 after wars end.
This is some Indiana Jones shit. Ark of the Covenant whistleblower, where you at?
He said they retrieve some of the artifacts from italy after the war
Wow, what a braindead comment section.
“Hurr durr there’s no evidence.”
This is, ironically, the most braindead fucking comment in here lmao
Ok, Mr. CIA spook guy.
Yep, they’re really coming out of the woodwork.