You’re confusing different things. “Contact tracing” has nothing to do with touching things. It just means you had some kind of contact with someone who had covid. Not even physical touch, just being relatively close.
Covid does not spread well through surfaces. This created huge waste as people were trying to deep clean with isopropyl alcohol, resulting in isopropyl alcohol shortages and companies putting in more dangerous forms of alcohol in hand sanitizer. It was completely unnecessary.
In medical environments being aware of what you make contact with, aka, contact tracing, is absolutely about tracking what the hell you touched.
You leaned on that wall over there for 2.6 seconds after touching this thing contaminated with x, y, and z? Great, now we have to sanitize that, and everything that made contact with it.
Which isn’t what the covid contract tracing apps did. They just looked for proximity. Which makes sense, because covid is primarily transmitted by breathing around people.
I disagree. I specifically cited in the context of the apps made. The contact tracing that was in effect for COVID was far more comprehensive.
If you didn’t get that message, you likely were not paying attention. I knew people that were using disinfecting wipes on their groceries because of contact tracing. Eg, they couldn’t know what or who made contact with their products prior to having them, so they did the right thing in the context of contact tracing and sanitized the items to the best of their ability.
This wasn’t uncommon among those that actually wanted to avoid the virus.
I knew people that were using disinfecting wipes on their groceries because of contact tracing. Eg, they couldn’t know what or who made contact with their products prior to having them, so they did the right thing in the context of contact tracing and sanitized the items to the best of their ability.
No, they wasted cleaning product. As I outlined some replies ago, this did have real consequences.
Let me give you some background. When lockdowns went into effect, I was on the board of a local makerspace with around 400 members and 20k sq ft of space at the time. On that same board was a registered nurse (who has since become a nurse practitioner) and someone in local government who is involved in the administrative part of healthcare policy. When the lockdowns hit, we had the same assumptions about covid being passed through contact, and our landlord also wanted us to have a plan to clean everything before anything opened up again. We figured there might be shortages of cleaning products, so we preordered tubs of industrial strength cleaners in those early days.
Fast forward to summer 2020 as lockdowns start to be lifted (too soon or not). We hesitated to open up fully, but did some limited things. One thing we didn’t do was deep clean the whole shop. By then, the research had already shown that covid spread through contact was mostly a nothingburger. I don’t remember what we did with the tubs of cleaner (might have donated them to a place with a specific need). We did this at the urging of the nurse and the local gov healthcare person, who both pointed to specific research that was already showing breath being the key transmission method, not contact.
Frankly, I’m going to take the word of a nurse and a local gov worker than you. Both of whom I still consider friends.
One thing we did do in summer 2020 was hold some outdoor drive-in movie nights. People could only go inside to use the bathroom. We did have some hand sanitizer around. By that time, there were already recalls on some hand sanitizer that companies had been putting methanol in them, which can make people go blind, or can be lethal. I went through the area and found about half our bottles were on the recall list.
This is a good example of why “if we only save one life, it’s worth it” is a phrase that should be eliminated from the English language. There are always tradeoffs. Always. This tradeoff was not worth it at all. The phrase only serves to stop people from thinking those tradeoffs through.
Then we didn’t learn it from covid.
A big thing with COVID was contact tracing. As in, knowing who and what you made contact with that could have been contaminated with your sick.
Surfaces were nontrivial in that whole context.
If you didn’t learn contact tracing during COVID, were you even in lockdown?
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You’re confusing different things. “Contact tracing” has nothing to do with touching things. It just means you had some kind of contact with someone who had covid. Not even physical touch, just being relatively close.
Covid does not spread well through surfaces. This created huge waste as people were trying to deep clean with isopropyl alcohol, resulting in isopropyl alcohol shortages and companies putting in more dangerous forms of alcohol in hand sanitizer. It was completely unnecessary.
In medical environments being aware of what you make contact with, aka, contact tracing, is absolutely about tracking what the hell you touched.
You leaned on that wall over there for 2.6 seconds after touching this thing contaminated with x, y, and z? Great, now we have to sanitize that, and everything that made contact with it.
Sit down.
Which isn’t what the covid contract tracing apps did. They just looked for proximity. Which makes sense, because covid is primarily transmitted by breathing around people.
If you’re only referring to contact tracing in the context of the apps that were made, sure. Then it’s about who you were in contact with.
Contact tracing in medical contexts is entirely not that (or at least, not just that).
And since we’re talking about covid in a mass context outside of just medical professionals, that’s entirely justified.
I disagree. I specifically cited in the context of the apps made. The contact tracing that was in effect for COVID was far more comprehensive.
If you didn’t get that message, you likely were not paying attention. I knew people that were using disinfecting wipes on their groceries because of contact tracing. Eg, they couldn’t know what or who made contact with their products prior to having them, so they did the right thing in the context of contact tracing and sanitized the items to the best of their ability.
This wasn’t uncommon among those that actually wanted to avoid the virus.
No, they wasted cleaning product. As I outlined some replies ago, this did have real consequences.
Let me give you some background. When lockdowns went into effect, I was on the board of a local makerspace with around 400 members and 20k sq ft of space at the time. On that same board was a registered nurse (who has since become a nurse practitioner) and someone in local government who is involved in the administrative part of healthcare policy. When the lockdowns hit, we had the same assumptions about covid being passed through contact, and our landlord also wanted us to have a plan to clean everything before anything opened up again. We figured there might be shortages of cleaning products, so we preordered tubs of industrial strength cleaners in those early days.
Fast forward to summer 2020 as lockdowns start to be lifted (too soon or not). We hesitated to open up fully, but did some limited things. One thing we didn’t do was deep clean the whole shop. By then, the research had already shown that covid spread through contact was mostly a nothingburger. I don’t remember what we did with the tubs of cleaner (might have donated them to a place with a specific need). We did this at the urging of the nurse and the local gov healthcare person, who both pointed to specific research that was already showing breath being the key transmission method, not contact.
Frankly, I’m going to take the word of a nurse and a local gov worker than you. Both of whom I still consider friends.
One thing we did do in summer 2020 was hold some outdoor drive-in movie nights. People could only go inside to use the bathroom. We did have some hand sanitizer around. By that time, there were already recalls on some hand sanitizer that companies had been putting methanol in them, which can make people go blind, or can be lethal. I went through the area and found about half our bottles were on the recall list.
This is a good example of why “if we only save one life, it’s worth it” is a phrase that should be eliminated from the English language. There are always tradeoffs. Always. This tradeoff was not worth it at all. The phrase only serves to stop people from thinking those tradeoffs through.
If that’s not enough for you: