https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip
How dare Hamas act out of desperation from the largest open air prison on Earth?!
Writing strongly worded letters for 100 years while they were systematically deprived of basic resources, or mass voluntary Palestinian suicide because the world clearly doesn’t value their lives, are their only acceptable options!
In all seriousness though. You live in squalor, your children starve, and you see the children of your oppressors who actively stop resources from getting to your children having a lavish party. Do you just tell your children to die quietly so as not to disturb their children’s lavish party?
When you forcibly remove hope, vengeance becomes an intoxicating alternative.
For the record, I think both societies are are backwards and built on savagery and ignorance, because both are willing to die, to deny rights to, and to kill REAL PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY EXIST for their equally moronic imaginary friends.
Fuck organized religion. No amount of conditionial soup is worth this never ending murderous cycle of bullshit. No rational person cares if you want to pray to Pikachu at 2am every morning standing on one foot, stop making your rituals and superstitious nonsense other people’s problems.
Quite disappointing to see kbin users attempt to justify
a military blockade of people who use every weapon they can get to try to kill your civilians, and try to turn every resource they can get into weapons, is not “an open air prison.” There are thousands of Gazans entering Israel every day due to Israeli work permits, medical treatments, refuge for gay people in Gaza (who are executed by Hamas). All in all, about 575,000 Gazans exited Gaza in 2022 by land borders, mostly through Israel since Egypt is generally fairly opposed to Gazans coming into Egypt. They won’t let refugees into Sinai now.
The heads of Hamas are billionaires and live in Qatar. They take every bit of aid that comes in and use it to perpetuate terrorism. The blockade didn’t start until about six years after rocket fire, until after Israel left Gaza. Gaza hasn’t been occupied since 2005.
This whole “open air prison” thing is ridiculous. There’s border enforcement because they use those borders to kill people. Israel controls their air space because they kill people by air. Israel doesn’t like the terror tunnels because the terror tunnels are used to send terrorists in to kill people. If they want to be able to move freely, they should stop killing people in the places they want to move to.
a military blockade of people who use every weapon they can get to try to kill your civilians
I mean that’s just untrue, even accounting for the recent violence Israel has killed many times more civilians than Palestinians.
“According to the United Nations, roughly 6,400 Palestinians and 300 Israelis had been killed in the ongoing conflict since 2008, not counting the recent fatalities”
is not “an open air prison.” There are thousands of Gazans entering Israel every day due to Israeli work permits, medical treatments,
My man, that’s not the brag you think it is. Allowing people to leave gaza to have their labour exploited isn’t alien to prison systems, nor is administering medical care.
The heads of Hamas are billionaires and live in Qatar. They take every bit of aid that comes in and use it to perpetuate terrorism. The blockade didn’t start until about six years after rocket fire, until after Israel left Gaza. Gaza hasn’t been occupied since 2005.
And I don’t really think many people are too concerned about protecting Hamas, they just don’t want to be witness to a genocide because Israel conflates their actions with all of Palestine.
This whole “open air prison” thing is ridiculous. There’s border enforcement because they use those borders to kill people.
I’m sorry, but if your country has killed thousands of people along that border compared to hundreds…then it’s not the Palestinians who are utilizing the border as a weapon.
You haven’t even established that the border has helped reduce the amount of people killed. If anything this week has showed us that militarized borders don’t really do much but provoke violence.
Israel controls their air space because they kill people by air.
With what Air Force?
Look, I don’t think any reasonable person condones the slaying of civilians. That being said, I think the hamas attack was a foreseeable consequence of political blowback. The Israeli government has become increasingly right winged over the last decade, and have been advocating for human rights violations, the illegal colonization of homes, and have literally instituted an apartheid state.
It’s foolish to think that there wouldn’t be a violent reaction when Israel has rejected all other forms of discord. Apartheid states will always create violence, the only people whom can prevent it are the ones who can end the apartheid.
I mean that’s just untrue, even accounting for the recent violence Israel has killed many times more civilians than Palestinians.
“According to the United Nations, roughly 6,400 Palestinians and 300 Israelis had been killed in the ongoing conflict since 2008, not counting the recent fatalities”
I’m sorry, did you read the sentence that you’re saying is untrue? Because… you didn’t address my claim at all.
My man, that’s not the brag you think it is. Allowing people to leave gaza to have their labour exploited isn’t alien to prison systems, nor is administering medical care.
leaving is pretty alien to prison systems. People in prisons are supposed to be locked inside. There are supposed to be guards in there with them 24/7. And prisons don’t have borders with multiple countries.
I guess it’s like a prison in that a gang runs the place, but unlike a prison in that, in prison, the gang doesn’t take control of the food distribution and steal all the concrete that could be used for concrete, and use it instead to build tunnels that they use to murder outside civilians before coming back home to their prison. And the prison gangs usually aren’t run by billionaires living in Qatar.
And I’ve never heard of prisoners beheading babies before. I’ve never heard of anyone beheading babies before. It’s kind of, you know, totally unprecedented.
And I don’t really think many people are too concerned about protecting Hamas, they just don’t want to be witness to a genocide because Israel conflates their actions with all of Palestine.
I’ve seen a lot of people celebrating these attacks. I’ve seen people in Manhattan waving swastikas around at a “pro-Palestinian” rally, before Israel’s reprisals began. I’ve seen people in London vandalize Jewish neighborhoods, breaking windows and spraying graffiti. I’ve seen people in Brooklyn protest a memorial by saying that the violence against civilians was justified. At a memorial service. They couldn’t let people mourn? Mia Khalifa’s biggest problem with the attack on Israel was that the video was in portrait mode and not landscape, otherwise she was having a blast.
They don’t give a shit about Palestinians. They just want to see Jews suffer.
With what Air Force?
With fucking hang gliders, if they can.
It’s usually more of an issue of Iran dropping weapons in by air.
That being said, I think the hamas attack was a foreseeable consequence of political blowback.
It’s pretty sick to call beheadding babies as “foreseeable,” isn’t it? Did you actually see that coming, that they would behead babies?
It’s foolish to think that there wouldn’t be a violent reaction when Israel has rejected all other forms of discord.
I think you mean “discourse.” I guess you’ve never heard of the Olmert deal?
Hamas controls the majority of the PA legislature. Abbas didn’t accept the Olmert deal because he doesn’t have enough political clout to do it.
Hamas, in its charter, explicitly refuses any prospect of negotiation or peace. They explicitly want to destroy every Jew on the face of the earth, not just Israelis.
Israel still comes to the table with Abbas, but it does not have a realistic partner for peace.
Netanyahu is also a dick, though. I really wish Olmert and Abbas figured it out…
I’m sorry, did you read the sentence that you’re saying is untrue? Because… you didn’t address my claim at all.
That they were trying to turn anything they could into a weapon to kill civilians… and all they could possibly do is kill 300 in over ten years while taking thousands of civilian casualties. Doesnt really add up to the picture you were trying to paint.
leaving is pretty alien to prison systems. People in prisons are supposed to be locked inside. There are supposed to be guards in there with them 24/7. And prisons don’t have borders with multiple countries.
There are work release programs in most all major prison systems… and your other rebuttals are purely pedantic. There are several types of penal systems, some just ship people to remote islands…they are still prisons.
I guess it’s like a prison in that a gang runs the place, but unlike a prison in that, in prison, the gang doesn’t take control of the food distribution and steal all the concrete that could be used for concrete, and use it instead to build tunnels that they use to murder outside civilians before coming back home to their prison. And the prison gangs usually aren’t run by billionaires living in Qatar.
It’s almost like the Israeli government doesn’t care what happens to the people in their prison… very perplexing.
And I’ve never heard of prisoners beheading babies before. I’ve never heard of anyone beheading babies before. It’s kind of, you know, totally unprecedented.
You must not read a lot of history… there was once an ethnocentric theocracy by the name of imperial Japan that did some stuff in China a while ago… also, do you have any evidence of this actually occurring?
I’ve seen a lot of people celebrating these attacks. I’ve seen people in Manhattan waving swastikas around at a “pro-Palestinian” rally, before Israel’s reprisals began. I’ve seen people in London vandalize Jewish neighborhoods, breaking windows and spraying graffiti. I’ve seen people in Brooklyn protest a memorial by saying that the violence against civilians was justified.
And you think neonazi are reasonable people?
They don’t give a shit about Palestinians. They just want to see Jews suffer.
Ahh yes, everyone who disagrees with the Israeli state hates Jewish people… no way people could just want an end to an apartheid state.
With fucking hang gliders, if they can.
And controlling there airspace prevents this how?
t’s usually more of an issue of Iran dropping weapons in by air.
Ahh so the Iranians are Palestinians now… how would controlling the air space east of Israel prevent Iran, a country west of Israel from dropping bombs? Controlling their airspace is just another way to control the flow of vital goods.
It’s pretty sick to call beheadding babies as “foreseeable,” isn’t it? Did you actually see that coming, that they would behead babies?
Yeah, beheading a baby and airstriking a baby both end with two dead children. Also… what evidence do you have that babies have been decapitated? We’ve seen this or things similar to this be falsely broadcasted to justify war in our lifetime.
think you mean “discourse.”
Discord isnt just Skype for gaming, it means argument or disagreement. Israel has rejected all other form of argument, and thus there will be violence.
I guess you’ve never heard of the Olmert deal?
Lol, a deal implies two willing parties. The realignment plan was a unilateral border change where Israel attemped to legalize their illegal settlements by claiming they’d disengage from the West Bank.
The problem is that nothing is stopping someone making unilateral policy from changing that policy as they see fit. Within the span of year it went from disengaging from 90% of the West Bank to 70% of the West Bank. Why would the Palestinians agree to signing something like that when Israel has already been so keen on breaking international law?
Netanyahu is also a dick, though. I really wish Olmert and Abbas figured it out…
Yes, and terrifyingly he’s been your PM six times… over a decade and a half of creating the perfect environment for extremism.
I don’t hate Jewish people, I’m not a white supremacy nut, both would be odd for an Asian person. As a person who’s home country has a history of border conflicts, crimes against humanity, and fascist governments, I don’t think your people are going to look back with any pride for what is going to unfold in the next few months.
From OPs username I get why they care what NY Post thinks…
But why would normal people care? NY Post is straight trash
For anyone curious, here is the letter:
It was surprisingly difficult to find! All the “news” articles were just he-said-she-said baloney.
Edit: Here is the text so you don’t have to download the PDF:
Joint Statement by Harvard Palestine Solidarity Groups on the Situation in Palestine
We, the undersigned student organizations, hold the Israeli regime entirely responsible for all unfolding violence. Today’s events did not occur in a vacuum. For the last two decades, millions of Palestinians in Gaza have been forced to live in an open-air prison. Israeli of f i cials promise to “open the gates of hell,” and the massacres in Gaza have already commenced. Palestinians in Gaza have no shelters for refuge and nowhere to escape. In the coming days, Palestinians will be forced to bear the full brunt of Israel’s violence. The apartheid regime is the only one to blame. Israeli violence has structured every aspect of Palestinian existence for 75 years. From systematized land seizures to routine airstrikes, arbitrary detentions to military checkpoints, and enforced family separations to targeted killings, Palestinians have been forced to live in a state of death, both slow and sudden. Today, the Palestinian ordeal enters into uncharted territory. The coming days will require a f i rm stand against colonial retaliation. We call on the Harvard community to take action to stop the ongoing annihilation of Palestinians. This statement was co-authored by a coalition of Palestine solidarity groups at Harvard. For student safety, the names of all original signing organizations have been concealed at this time.
Damn. I find it incredibly difficult to trust any company that takes issue with this statement. They’re calling for an end to a genocide and get punished for it? Shit sucks.
That is pretty straight up and a sober critique honestly.
“Harvard out of occupied Palestine”
I was unaware that Havard had any form of military, nor was located in Palestinian land.
The more you know
uplifting The More You Know music followed by rainbows
Cowards. There are people being killed for Palestinian freedom, and these college students are afraid of CEOs blacklisting them for having an opinion.
Textbook definition of succumbing to tyranny.
You know what’s tyranny? When your dictatotship refuses to even accept the existence of their neighbors, who’s collaboration you dearly need for survival let alone a life worth living.
They fucked around and now they are about to find out.
They put their names on a paper supporting terrorism.
They are finding out that was a mistake, but it is too late.
