I think they are probably talking about the community being in denial of China and Russia being a dictatorship, and the fascist/authoritarian cock sucking.
Russia is certainly a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, not sure anyone would disagree with that, the people don’t have power in the Russian Federation, same with the US. China, on the other hand, is a democracy. It’s not a liberal democracy, but the people have a direct influence on how their society is run, which is why 90%+ Chinese citizens support their government.
Hexbear is anti-fascist, so no clue what you’re talking about there, nor why you decided to go straight for homophobic/misogynistic insults at the end.
Your point was that China just imprisons people willy-nilly and thus isn’t democratic, but that’s just not true if we look at the numbers. As for the Uyghur question, no idea, the re-education program seems to be over or nearing completion so I don’t imagine its very high.
Uigur question sounds like “Jew question”, which the Nazis named that way and tried to “solve” at the Wannseekonferenz…
Is there even one entity that classifies or ranks democracies that sees China as an actual democracy? If yes, please give me a link. We all know that China is a one party country. If you disagree with the government, you can be open about it and go to “re-education” 🙃. Alternative: You shut up about it, which is probably what most people do.
You asked a literal question, that’s incredibly dishonest. Further, democracy is more about the ability to meaningfully impact your life politically than it is to host a theatrical choice between parties. Either way, because you asked, most people in China consider their country to be a democracy.
You asked a literal question, that’s incredibly dishonest.
What exactly?
That’s a survey (quite subjective), but the results is of course interesting. I expected “democracy” to be seen as “bad stuff form the west”…
It also has a disclaimer in the text:
A note accompanying the poll results offers a disclaimer, stating that “in authoritarian countries, positive perceptions might result from different conceptions of democracy, high levels of government satisfaction, or fear of speaking out against the government.”
Would be interesting to see such a survey in Russia or North Korea.
With “entity that classifies or ranks democracies”, I meant something like this (a more object classification of democracies based on some criteria):
And for what it’s worth, I am quite welcome most places on Lemmy. There are a few users like yourself that seem to hate me, but those are in the minority of those I interact with. I’m a Leftist, after all, and Lemmy is usually pretty left-leaning. You can keep calling everyone that disagrees with you a fascist, but that doesn’t make it true.
He is not the only one allowed to have his position. Term limits were ended, yes, but that doesn’t mean Xi cannot be ousted. He’s very popular, so that’s unlikely though.
So no, your entire premise is wrong. Whatever it is that you personally don’t like, you call fascist and authoritarian.
Stop pretending you actually think not having term limits is the same as being a dictator, you would never in a million years try to claim it if we were talking about Germany or Australia or any of the other many white western countries that don’t have term limits, so it’s obviously not a genuine belief you hold.
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If you want to talk about a fake democracy, look no further than the US. Previously:
The US government was never not captured by the bourgeoisie, because the US was born of a bourgeois revolution[1]. The wealthy, white, male, land-owning, largely slave-owning Founding Fathers constructed a bourgeois state with “checks and balances” against the “tyranny of the majority”. It was never meant to represent the majority—the working class—and it never has, despite eventually allowing women and non-whites (at least those not disenfranchised by the carceral system) to vote. BBC: [Princeton & Northwestern] Study: US is an oligarchy, not a democracy
I only have 2 accounts, my .ml and my hexbear account. Edie is her own person, and misgendering faer when she puts her pronouns publicly is queerphobic.
Moreover, Xi isn’t a dictator. Disagreeing with one person’s unsourced and vibes-based analysis does not make me a fan of dictators.
I only have 2 accounts, the Hexbear account and the Lemmy.ml account. All you have is baseless accusation around on the fact that more people here agree with me than you.
I think they are probably talking about the community being in denial of China and Russia being a dictatorship, and the fascist/authoritarian cock sucking.
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Russia is certainly a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, not sure anyone would disagree with that, the people don’t have power in the Russian Federation, same with the US. China, on the other hand, is a democracy. It’s not a liberal democracy, but the people have a direct influence on how their society is run, which is why 90%+ Chinese citizens support their government.
Hexbear is anti-fascist, so no clue what you’re talking about there, nor why you decided to go straight for homophobic/misogynistic insults at the end.
Yeah. Even, if you disagree with the government, because then, you can still be democratic in jail…
Not sure what you’re trying to say here, China has a much lower imprisonment ratio than the US.
What do I have to do with US?
Most democracy rankings rank it as flawed democracy anyway. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index
What’s the imprisonment quote of Uigurs in China by the way?
Your point was that China just imprisons people willy-nilly and thus isn’t democratic, but that’s just not true if we look at the numbers. As for the Uyghur question, no idea, the re-education program seems to be over or nearing completion so I don’t imagine its very high.
You forgot some quotes around “re-education”.
Uigur question sounds like “Jew question”, which the Nazis named that way and tried to “solve” at the Wannseekonferenz…
Is there even one entity that classifies or ranks democracies that sees China as an actual democracy? If yes, please give me a link. We all know that China is a one party country. If you disagree with the government, you can be open about it and go to “re-education” 🙃. Alternative: You shut up about it, which is probably what most people do.
You asked a literal question, that’s incredibly dishonest. Further, democracy is more about the ability to meaningfully impact your life politically than it is to host a theatrical choice between parties. Either way, because you asked, most people in China consider their country to be a democracy.
What exactly?
That’s a survey (quite subjective), but the results is of course interesting. I expected “democracy” to be seen as “bad stuff form the west”…
It also has a disclaimer in the text:
Would be interesting to see such a survey in Russia or North Korea.
With “entity that classifies or ranks democracies”, I meant something like this (a more object classification of democracies based on some criteria):
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So when does someone besides Xi get “elected” in this so called “democracy”?
When people want someone else to be in his position 👍
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He did not declare himself president for life 👍
And for what it’s worth, I am quite welcome most places on Lemmy. There are a few users like yourself that seem to hate me, but those are in the minority of those I interact with. I’m a Leftist, after all, and Lemmy is usually pretty left-leaning. You can keep calling everyone that disagrees with you a fascist, but that doesn’t make it true.
When you are the only person allowed to be president and you end term limits that means you are expecting to be in power until you die.
Like dictators do.
You also can’t support authoritarianism and be a leftist.
Fascist movements are inherently right wing, as leftist movements are defined by shared power and control.
He is not the only one allowed to have his position. Term limits were ended, yes, but that doesn’t mean Xi cannot be ousted. He’s very popular, so that’s unlikely though.
So no, your entire premise is wrong. Whatever it is that you personally don’t like, you call fascist and authoritarian.
In China other people are not allowed to seriously challenge Xi
We both know it, but your entire propaganda angle requires denial of this reality so you are incapable of engaging with that fact.
As it stands right now, FDR was re-elected more times than Xi. Was he also a dictator?
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Xi isn’t a dictator, nor is he the sole government of the PRC.
So why does he get to have totolitarian control over the country for life? INB4 more denial.
Constant denial of reality is a disgusting look for a “democracy”. It’s a disgusting look for you.
He doesn’t. Can you back any of your claims up, at all?
When everything he wants to happen happens that means he has the control.
Sorry this is hard to see but it requires looking with your eyes
In other words, it’s all vibes on your end with no sources, same as always.
What exactly did you “look at with your eyes” to see it? Because it seems like you just have vibes.
“If Xi isn’t a dictator, then why do I think he is? Checkmate, tankies!”
So when does he willingly step down from office?
In the US it’s at least every 8 years
Stop pretending you actually think not having term limits is the same as being a dictator, you would never in a million years try to claim it if we were talking about Germany or Australia or any of the other many white western countries that don’t have term limits, so it’s obviously not a genuine belief you hold.
Xi has been re-elected twice because people are happy with the steady improvements in their material conditions.
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If you want to talk about a fake democracy, look no further than the US. Previously:
Most people in china get executed if they don’t accept the party narrative you sheep
Still no evidence 💅 and still with the insults & moralizing.
Still brigading other spaces because nobody wants your fascist bootlicker community around
Cowbee isnt praising a dictator, like its not even written in a way where you can maybe misunderstand it as such.
Why do people keep having such a hard time reading? Is this the USA education system?
Cowbees use your main account like a big boy
Also refusing to call a dictator a dictator means you like that they are a dictator but don’t like having to admit you like dictators publicly.
I only have 2 accounts, my .ml and my hexbear account. Edie is her own person, and misgendering faer when she puts her pronouns publicly is queerphobic.
Moreover, Xi isn’t a dictator. Disagreeing with one person’s unsourced and vibes-based analysis does not make me a fan of dictators.
Yes we know why you create alts
I don’t care
I only have 2 accounts, the Hexbear account and the Lemmy.ml account. All you have is baseless accusation around on the fact that more people here agree with me than you.
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Hello, I am Edie, not Cowbee.