Liberal’ shares a root with ‘liberty’ and can mean anything from “generous” to “loose” to “broad-minded.” Politically, it means ““a person who believes that government should be active in supporting social and political change.”
When using liberal to refer to liberal parties that believe in liberal democracy then liberal means capital L - Liberalism. I understand that this is the first time you’ve actually spoken to people to the left of you but this is extremely basic political ideology 101. Socialists hate liberals, they are our political enemy, we use lib as if it is were slur, and we do not call ourselves liberals. Socialists do not support capitalism, liberals do.
If you have other questions I suggest that rather than arguing with me about it you visit basically any socialist community to see that essentially everyone in any of them will agree with what I’ve just said.
Yes “liberal” can mean “free” and “believes in egalitarianism and a live and let live set of living standards when it comes to peoples personal choices” when applied to cultural beliefs. This is not the political meaning. The two have been intentionally conflated by liberals(political) in order to confuse you politically and ensure that your political education and literacy is absolutely garbage.
A communist and being wrong, name a more iconic duo. Have fun forever fighting for a system that will be just as shit and corrupt as capitalism. Humans are shit, they will always corrupt and a system run by smarmy assholes is doomed.
Yeah tankies think liberal is a slur kinda like Republicans do. Weird how it’s just used as some kind of boogieman dogwhistle to rile up their supporters? Not really based in reality as most people who like having rights and freedom are going to be LIBERAL. Which means don’t FUCK with our LIBERTIES, BITCH.
Humans aren’t shit. We have plenty of evidence of how humans behave in different systems and environments. Human behaviour is determined by the system in which you place them. You just hate people, another reason we see liberalism collapsing and more and more people identifying as socialists instead.
Being an asshole within capitalism is as natural as coughing in a burning building. If it’s all you’ve ever known of course you’re going to think it’s “human nature”, but it’s not.
Oh and going around using misogynist slurs to get your point across doesn’t really help the image problem liberals have. If you’re going to pretend to be good people you actually need to be consistent.
That is not what liberal means. It’s an ideology from the enlightenment based on the emancipation of the individual as being key to the emancipation of society. It has completely failed.
relating to or denoting a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise
It definately hasn’t failed. Not yet, as those things defined still exist.
Not really unsympathetic to the tankies plight, as it is my own, but I think some of you guys are smoking a special kind of Kool aid.
Communism isn’t a magical fix for all our problems. Sure more of those ideas should be implemented into our system, universal Healthcare, a more centralized means of production, wealth caps, term limits, etcetera. All great ideas. The only way they’ll happen is with a more unified country. Or war. A long and terrible one that will completely destroy us. Now I know the idea sounds romantic, but I promise you it’s not. You’re better off coming to the table with your head on straight.
Edit: But fuck mconnel. I hope he gets Ebola and shits out his own insides
>individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise
Where do these things exist? They don’t exist much in the USA for example.
>Communism isn’t a magical fix for all our problems
Its aim is to fix these problems, capitalism’s aim is to make money for a small group of people using liberalism to trick them into helping.
>The only way they’ll happen is with a more unified country. Or war. A long and terrible one that will completely destroy us.
The political class are united, they have the country’s workers fighting over niche issues like gay rights etc while they kill millions around the globe and do whatever it takes to maintain the privilege of a few.
Where do these things exist? They don’t exist much in the USA for example
I’m sorry what? Freedom of speech? Civil rights act? Freedom of assembly? The right to bare arms? Etcetera?
Its aim is to fix these problems,
How? Through violent revolution with a benevolent authoritarian leader? Seize the means and then humans just stop being corruptible shitheads? Okay buddy
capitalism’s aim is to make money for a small group of people
Capitalism doesn’t have an aim. Like communism it will do what you direct it to do. If you’re going to try to revolutionize you might as well fix the system you already have instead of going to war.
using liberalism to trick them into helping
Yeah see this is that kool-aid bullshit you guys must have been smoking in the LateStageCapitalism ban chamber all those years. Liberals OPPOSE these same assholes they are not your enemy you dumb fuck
Well liberal means you’re pro-liberty. Which is a virtue that is up there with freedom and justice, so I don’t see liberals going anywhere soon.
Liberalism is the political ideology of free markets and capitalism.
Hmkay
When using liberal to refer to liberal parties that believe in liberal democracy then liberal means capital L - Liberalism. I understand that this is the first time you’ve actually spoken to people to the left of you but this is extremely basic political ideology 101. Socialists hate liberals, they are our political enemy, we use lib as if it is were slur, and we do not call ourselves liberals. Socialists do not support capitalism, liberals do.
If you have other questions I suggest that rather than arguing with me about it you visit basically any socialist community to see that essentially everyone in any of them will agree with what I’ve just said.
Yes “liberal” can mean “free” and “believes in egalitarianism and a live and let live set of living standards when it comes to peoples personal choices” when applied to cultural beliefs. This is not the political meaning. The two have been intentionally conflated by liberals(political) in order to confuse you politically and ensure that your political education and literacy is absolutely garbage.
A communist and being wrong, name a more iconic duo. Have fun forever fighting for a system that will be just as shit and corrupt as capitalism. Humans are shit, they will always corrupt and a system run by smarmy assholes is doomed.
Yeah tankies think liberal is a slur kinda like Republicans do. Weird how it’s just used as some kind of boogieman dogwhistle to rile up their supporters? Not really based in reality as most people who like having rights and freedom are going to be LIBERAL. Which means don’t FUCK with our LIBERTIES, BITCH.
This is absolute nonsense.
Humans aren’t shit. We have plenty of evidence of how humans behave in different systems and environments. Human behaviour is determined by the system in which you place them. You just hate people, another reason we see liberalism collapsing and more and more people identifying as socialists instead.
Being an asshole within capitalism is as natural as coughing in a burning building. If it’s all you’ve ever known of course you’re going to think it’s “human nature”, but it’s not.
Oh and going around using misogynist slurs to get your point across doesn’t really help the image problem liberals have. If you’re going to pretend to be good people you actually need to be consistent.
That is not what liberal means. It’s an ideology from the enlightenment based on the emancipation of the individual as being key to the emancipation of society. It has completely failed.
You just described liberty?
It definately hasn’t failed. Not yet, as those things defined still exist.
Not really unsympathetic to the tankies plight, as it is my own, but I think some of you guys are smoking a special kind of Kool aid.
Communism isn’t a magical fix for all our problems. Sure more of those ideas should be implemented into our system, universal Healthcare, a more centralized means of production, wealth caps, term limits, etcetera. All great ideas. The only way they’ll happen is with a more unified country. Or war. A long and terrible one that will completely destroy us. Now I know the idea sounds romantic, but I promise you it’s not. You’re better off coming to the table with your head on straight.
Edit: But fuck mconnel. I hope he gets Ebola and shits out his own insides
>individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise
Where do these things exist? They don’t exist much in the USA for example.
>Communism isn’t a magical fix for all our problems
Its aim is to fix these problems, capitalism’s aim is to make money for a small group of people using liberalism to trick them into helping.
>The only way they’ll happen is with a more unified country. Or war. A long and terrible one that will completely destroy us.
The political class are united, they have the country’s workers fighting over niche issues like gay rights etc while they kill millions around the globe and do whatever it takes to maintain the privilege of a few.
Agreed about Mc Connell.
I’m sorry what? Freedom of speech? Civil rights act? Freedom of assembly? The right to bare arms? Etcetera?
How? Through violent revolution with a benevolent authoritarian leader? Seize the means and then humans just stop being corruptible shitheads? Okay buddy
Capitalism doesn’t have an aim. Like communism it will do what you direct it to do. If you’re going to try to revolutionize you might as well fix the system you already have instead of going to war.
Yeah see this is that kool-aid bullshit you guys must have been smoking in the LateStageCapitalism ban chamber all those years. Liberals OPPOSE these same assholes they are not your enemy you dumb fuck