What is your line in the sand?
Edit: thank you all for your responses. I think it’s important as an American we take your view points seriously. I think of a North Korean living inside of North Korea. They don’t really know how bad it is because that is all hidden from them and they’ve never had anything else. As things get worse for Americans it’s important to have your voices because we will become more and more isolated.
Even the guy who said, “lol.” Some people need that sort of sobering reaction.
The current system forces the candidates to appeal to a number of states artificially. How is that any better? Lol It doesn’t even do what you claim it does.
And also, most of those red areas on the map are empty, as you said. Why bother saying it’s empty when it’s convenient only to present a fully red map as if it means anything?
Lastly, cite your sources, please. We have no idea where you got that image.
Are you referring to the swing states? They have to appeal to those states because they already have the other states locked in, but they can’t just ignore the places they usually get votes each election either. Part of the reason the Republicans won the popular vote this year is because many counties flipped from Democrat to Republican. They aren’t appealing to swing states artificially, they are trying to win the votes of a population that votes either direction and isn’t practically a guarantee.
Those red areas are in fact not empty, there are people who live in those regions. That map was made by a redditor here : https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/s/6914AUEoEf. When I initially saw the post (a few years ago), I verified the information presented at that time. You are of course free to double check.
We’re not talking about anything else.
Candidates regularly ignore states while campaigning. I know for a fact that happened last year with both Trump and Harris. They do know their states are locked in.
I’m saying the swing states are created artificially to create a close race. It wouldn’t be close otherwise and instead decidedly blue if it were a fairer system that doesn’t devalue people’s votes arbitrarily.
And also, your map needs population density to be meaningful. And a better source.
It’s hyperbole. Their populations are peanuts to the cities, which is why we weed the population density so you can stop pointing at the map and be like “see all this red land??” and I stop internally screaming.
swing states are the result of the voting populace going 50/50 on what party they vote for. One doesn’t create a swing state.
I see where you’re coming from. Popular vote wins the election, easy enough. People don’t vote like that. I don’t understand why you are refusing to see the other perspective.
People with similar ideologies clump together. Democrats are a majority in the US, and the greater share of which live very close to one another in select cities across the country. What you are saying is that only what they think matters and they will always get their way because there is more of them.
People who live in the city live very different lives and have different concerns than people live in rural areas. I don’t necessarily think it is okay for one group to have all the power, especially since they are so out of touch with one another.
An election system should be consistent and maintain a competitive election, and should not succumb to mass politics or control from people in power.
Yes, by tipping the voting base to go 50/50. It’s literally like 60/40 if the electoral college is removed, and that’s my entire point. I’m not here to argue the hows and whys about why it is that way. Voter disenfranchisement is my main point and that’s my only point.
Because I know the other perspective and it’s a load of bullshit. Here, all of this:
All of it is apologetic bullshit and an excuse for the right wing to hinder and diminish other people’s rights to vote, as they always do. The only time location actually matters (and should matter) is whether you’re voting from abroad or not. That’s how we do it and that’s how everyone I know does it… except for the US because of its bullshit conservative mental gymnastics, as always.
I’ve never in my life seen a more out of touch party than the Conservatives, tbh. Being “out of touch” is not a strong argument, and doubly so in today’s American political circus.
Pfft. No. That honestly sounds like you have an agenda in your mind that somehow, and for some reason, must give special concessions to the lesser party so that you have a minority rule at the expense of people’s voting rights and dignity. That’s evil and that’s not democratic in the way that aligns with most people’s values.