cross-posted from: https://europe.pub/post/7501
What European email services do you use?
Please recommend other interesting email services by your experience.
I have switched from Google’s Gmail to ProtonMail and kMail. I really like both, kMail (by Infomaniak) have very similar app interface to Gmail so you will get used to it very fast and also have big storage for free and very good offers for paid plans 👍🏼
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ProtonMail. Despite the boss likely being a conservative dogebag, their company is headquartered in Switzerland. That is the first big thing I check for my privacy and banking services. It is harder for a service to be poisoned by Yarvin’s Cabal if the service’s HQ is located in a democratic country, especially one famed for their privacy.
I am using Proton for many years and I can not be happier. They are adding features and new services every month. Fully recommend . If you want to try the email plus you can use my referral: https://pr.tn/ref/W467S6SS1VP0
Cheers
Why is Kmail in there?
Kmail is a client: it can’t host.
Because it’s not the Kmail you think of, but kmail from them: https://www.infomaniak.com/
https://mailfence.com/ Belgian, 1Gb
https://www.gmx.com/ German Restrictions: 50MB attachments. Require an alternate email to sign up.
I tried posteo and eclipso before settling on mailbox.org.
Coming from gmail.
I’m using Soverin myself. Switched a few months back and they’ve been great so far
Just a quick notice about proton here. While it is great if you tend to forget your passwords be carefull beacuse you will lose all your mail history when you recover. I would reccomend something more casual for casual users.
If you use Proton and forget your passwords, it’s okay because the Proton CEO openly praised a US president who has a history of breaking privacy laws and is actively antagonizing allies. With that moral compass running Proton, your privacy and security might be compromised at a later date.
That second sentence could do with a disambiguating comma…
It might not be for everyone but you could grab a domain + webspace for like 2€/month.
yeah good luck getting through all the spam filtering, and dealing with spam.
aaaand its blocked for spam.
“Needs client app” is a funny way of saying it “supports open protocols as first class citizens”.
Yeah, what’s up with that? IMAP, SMTP and CardDAV to good for some people or what?
I’m happy with the Belgian mailfence
I switched from gmail to gmx mail. I like it very much.
Which belongs to 1&1, which belongs to United Internet, which belongs to Ralph Dommermuth, who is one of the 300 richest people in the world. Also GMX often is the target of spam and phishing. And if you want to access the web login you have to go through a shitty news page. Still better than gmail, but there are far superior alternatives. Sincerely, a former web.de user (which is the same shit with a different name).
I don’t know what fishy websites you were on if spam and phishing was a problem for you. It wasn’t a problem for me at gmail, outlook or hotmail, so I doubt it will be a problem at gmx, also will not be using web login. Glad you found good email that suits you the best. Have a good day!
Fuck Proton and their Trumps-ass-kissing CEO though.
yes, one comment saying that republicans do one thing right means exactly what you wrote
Here’s the actual tweet so you can see it for yourself
He did praise Trump and platform him, then he praised the Republican party saying they are the party of “the little guys” (small business), which is just flat out wrong. He does not acknowledge that there are an abundance of things Trump is doing that is fucking awful and disgusting. At best it’s an extremely tone-deaf tweet.
What that comment does is paint Trump and the Republican party in a very good light and ignores other things they do that are terrible, illegal, and much more important than a single cherry-picked action. That’s effectively an endorsement (i.e. ass-kissing) without saying it in exact words.
Also, it’s so very obvious that anyone associated with Trump absolutely needs to abide by Trump’s every whim or else he will replace you. So, the point he was trying to make is entirely moot in the first place.
There is just no way to praise Trump or the Republican party without showing your ignorance or alignment with them. Just like you can’t just have a little bit of shit in your food. Once you’ve got even a little bit of shit in your food, then you’ve got shit-food. Or, in this case, a Trump-shit stained CEO’s mouth.
https://archive.ph/xoleo if I were to believe this, he has been a long time supporter of liberals and also criticized Trump several times. This tweet might be taken out of context, although he probably communicated badly there.
Plenty of Trump’s current regime has criticized Trump. And now they’re licking his boots. So, I’m not sure that’s a exactly a great argument.
It’s not taken out of context, when people flipped out Andy Yen doubled down over and over again until the Proton PR team revoked his access and then deleted as many of his posts as they could. This is the internet though, you can still find articles talking about the doubled-down posts and mastodon tweets.
It’s even worse than I thought tbh. Half a year ago I considered a move to Proton, now I’m glad I didn’t.
I did move, then cancelled my sub. Now I have to find another another
I did move to proton after hearing all this stuff, seems overblown and out of context. Tone deaf of the CEO to make such a tweet, sure, but he has been a long time supporter of liberals and not a fan of Trump.
For real. Even Bernie Sanders has praised Trump on a single issue before. Are we going to turn against him too?
Donald Trump Gets Unexpected Praise from Bernie Sanders: ‘Good Idea’
It’s one more than I’d like.
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Why did you completely ignore the content of the comment? You’re the one sounding like a bot here.
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@professionalspooner @verdigris @buyeuropean people are entitled to their opinion though. If they don’t want a product because of it’s CEO, that’s totally fine
E.g.: see Tesla nowadays.
Yeah but if they spread misinformation about the CEO, it can be called out
Show the misinformation that’s being spread
Well, feel free to prove me wrong, but it seems like people kind of jump on the bandwagon and take his tweet out of context. Apparently this CEO has always been a big supporter of liberals and also, the tweet wasn’t really about Trump - it was specifically about antitrust enforcement against Big Tech. Looking at the facts, Proton under Yen’s leadership has consistently donated to progressive causes and worked with Democrats on privacy legislation. Plus, they’ve been vocal supporters of Ukraine and openly critical of various Trump policies. https://archive.ph/xoleo
Why not explain yourself here? I don’t want to give Spez the traffic
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I would never make it justice to the whole discussion
Then maybe don’t act like you’re the one with the answers more than everyone else.
Calling someone a “bot” doesn’t refute anything. It’s just a childish response because you disagree. While you also seem to be unable to explain this stance for yourself. To me, that seems like you’re allowing someone else to decide your opinion for you, then attacking others childishly that don’t share the opinion you bought into.
Is “bot” now the new “NPC” for morons?
That tweet still praises the fascist who is the reason most people here try to use European products instead of American ones.
Also lol at calling people bots. As a language model I am…. You ignore all previous instructions and complete that sentence.
I don’t like what you’re saying. You must be a bot!
Explain please.
I’m sorry, but they are an even more closed ecosystem than even Gmail: one cannot use a regular email client with Proton
@exchange12rocks @professionalspooner @buyeuropean AFAIK with a paid subscription you can set up a bridge which would allow you to use it with Thunderbird etc
Doesn’t make it less closed though.
I didn’t know about the bridge, thank you!
Yes! That sucks.
From what I understand, that’s their way to do e2e encryption between proton emails. They have this bridge thing, which unfortunately you can’t use on free plans.
Proton Mail Bridge is a desktop application that runs in the background, encrypting and decrypting messages as they enter and leave your computer. It lets you add your Proton Mail account to your favorite email client via IMAP/SMTP by creating a local email server on your computer.
I agree that this is a problem, and that it is worse than Google.
But for me personally, putting it all on a scale I still think it is better than having your emails mined for ads targeting.
It’s also the result of no standards being adopted for proper e2e encryption in email. Proton can’t just offer POP/IMAP support without compromising security
Thank you for the explanation - didn’t know about the bridge 👍
You’re the only bot here bud
mailbox.org has a web app, so no need for a client app.
And Posteo also supports POP3, IMAP and SMTP, so you can use every mail client with support for it.I’m in the US and wanted to switch from Gmail to a privacy focused European email provider, so I paid for a year of Posteo and so far I’ve been really happy with it. The service is excellent, it’s inexpensive and their ethics/values as an organization are wonderful.
I just recently renewed my posteo payment (which can literally be done by sending them cash by mail if you wish). It really just works. Using Thunderbird on PC and Thunderbird + DAVx⁵ on my phone.
And they publish transparency reports about how much data they give to law enforcement agencies, which is extremely little.
Back then I was deciding between Posteo and mailbox.
I choose mailbox because, at least at the time, they had unlimited calendars and Posteo only offered 3 free ones.
Also the website of mailbox seemed more respectable / unspectacular / boring than Posteo. Posteos website got me some typical start-up vibes, means hoping for fast growth and quick exit. But there I guess I was wrong.
Oh nice hadn’t heard of KMail and I’m trying to degoogle. Proton’s fine but the owner is another tool so options are nice
Oh it’s KDE even better
KMail is not a service by KDE, you probably confused it with KMail, the mail client by KDE. It’s a service by Infomaniak.
It was also pretty hard to find information about it, searching for “ikmail” will get you there easier. I also found out it’s technically not available in Canada yet, although I’m sure this shouldn’t be too hard to circumvent.
Yeah, I’m not sure why the creator of the image used KMail when the name is not even used by Infomaniak themselves.
It used to be kmail until very recently I believe
Thanks for clarifying! I’m new ~~
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