It’s a pretty outdated view that US wine (primarily from California, Oregon, Washington) is of lesser quality of that of Europe. True, the big flagship wines -the first growth Bordeaux and premier cru Burgundy and Champagne, are rarely matched. But a large majority of American wine is on par with most European wine.
Now, of course I do not support tariffs on US imports of wine. But pushing back on the quality comment.
In my experience you get a pretty aweful wine in the US if you don’t spend at least $10-15. In France and Italy, you get decent wines for 4-5€ and excellent wines for 10-15€. Nobody buys more expensive wines except maybe real connoisseurs.
It’s only not allowed because the USA enforces that policy. Trump can decide tomorrow that USA sparkling wine can be called Champagne when sold in the USA and there’s nothing France can do about it.
The orange clown has shown us the rules are only any good if there’s someone who can enforce them. Most of them are just gentlemen’s agreements.
@veroxii@neo2478 right, and in terms of PDO there’s not much Europe could retaliate with. What is there? Bourbon and Tennessee Whiskey? I think those are the only geographical indicators they have. But Cory Doctorow came up with some good ideas. The EU has already brought in alternative app stores but I’m sure there are some other tech & IP considerations https://www.pluralistic.net/2025/01/15/beauty-eh/
@person1 I work in publishing for schools and it is *so* difficult/expensive to publish support for literature or media. Fair use & fair dealing laws can only get you so far. Great Gatsby finally coming out of copyright was a big moment. But the reason it’s come out is of course because it’s not actually recent literature any more.
I’ll grant you that good champagne is better than great domestic sparkling.
But “no matter how good it is?” I don’t care what something is called; there is good domestic sparkling, and there is bad champagne. I’d rather drink the “good “” without the label.
Interesting aside. Because the senate never recognized the article in The Treaty of Versailles that prohibited use of Champagne, there are producers on the US grandfathered into being able to, technically, use the term.
It’s a pretty outdated view that US wine (primarily from California, Oregon, Washington) is of lesser quality of that of Europe. True, the big flagship wines -the first growth Bordeaux and premier cru Burgundy and Champagne, are rarely matched. But a large majority of American wine is on par with most European wine.
Now, of course I do not support tariffs on US imports of wine. But pushing back on the quality comment.
In my experience you get a pretty aweful wine in the US if you don’t spend at least $10-15. In France and Italy, you get decent wines for 4-5€ and excellent wines for 10-15€. Nobody buys more expensive wines except maybe real connoisseurs.
Turns out the sun and vine do most of the work huh
But no matter how good it is, it will never be called champagne
It’s only not allowed because the USA enforces that policy. Trump can decide tomorrow that USA sparkling wine can be called Champagne when sold in the USA and there’s nothing France can do about it.
The orange clown has shown us the rules are only any good if there’s someone who can enforce them. Most of them are just gentlemen’s agreements.
@veroxii @neo2478 right, and in terms of PDO there’s not much Europe could retaliate with. What is there? Bourbon and Tennessee Whiskey? I think those are the only geographical indicators they have. But Cory Doctorow came up with some good ideas. The EU has already brought in alternative app stores but I’m sure there are some other tech & IP considerations https://www.pluralistic.net/2025/01/15/beauty-eh/
Yup. A lot of US income comes from predatory IP laws.
@person1 imagine if we applied normal copyright to Disney
yeah. it is called disney law in usa for a reason
…or was it mickey mouse law
@person1 I work in publishing for schools and it is *so* difficult/expensive to publish support for literature or media. Fair use & fair dealing laws can only get you so far. Great Gatsby finally coming out of copyright was a big moment. But the reason it’s come out is of course because it’s not actually recent literature any more.
what do you mean by “publish support”?
Coca Cola?
That’s made globally.
@HenriVolney well yeah, there are *brands* but I don’t think there are any geographical designations to compete with eg champagne, other than bourbon.
I’ll grant you that good champagne is better than great domestic sparkling.
But “no matter how good it is?” I don’t care what something is called; there is good domestic sparkling, and there is bad champagne. I’d rather drink the “good “” without the label.
Interesting aside. Because the senate never recognized the article in The Treaty of Versailles that prohibited use of Champagne, there are producers on the US grandfathered into being able to, technically, use the term.