Let’s not forget how we got here though cause if we do forget & survive this round, won’t be long before it comes back. I’m specifically referring to the pro-genocide candidate that we were all lied to about their cognition until we all saw the emperor had no clothes. Then they anointed the Cheney supporter that couldn’t think of anything she’d do differently.
Many of the ultra wealthy are bought in on the idea of cyclical history where things go golden age, decadent age, disaster, GOTO 1
So they fund the side that is most likely to wreck things, happy in the delusion that that must cause a golden age
Then business prefers weak government and little regulation
Then business wants more workers so they support whatever might get more babies born
So less capitalism, more unchecked capitalism and high inequality, and propaganda directed at those in power and the fact that to win in a 2 party democracy you just need to appeal to the bulk of people
Sure, but a big part of why they don’t do better is they want to continue the capitalist hellscape where a few people benefit from “owning” most everything.
Because that is the system people are subscribed to. You want big change & to take on capitalism you need a V for Vendetta. The system is built on capitalism. The best chance we’d prob have right now to take on capitalism is someone with a popular agenda that is good at acting, but once elected as President they basically say… Ha, now I’m immune & will use my platform to try to get rid of capitalism. They’d probably get assassinated real quick though. Or a complete collapse of the system.
Maybe. We can still try to work on multiple things at the same time.
Demand more from the Democrats.
Fight the right wing.
Push for better systems.
No one’s going to wave a magic wand and fix everything. though it would be funny to me if more billionaires were murdered , that’s not really likely or safe.
It’s called building dual power, and many of us are actually doing things every day to further that goal.
The best chance we’d prob have right now to take on capitalism is someone with a popular agenda that is good at acting, but once elected as President they basically say… Ha, now I’m immune & will use my platform to try to get rid of capitalism […] Or [cause] a complete collapse of the system.
Is this sarcastic? Because that’s literally what we’re witnessing. We may have a chance at building a better world with better systems very soon.
I don’t support Trump & didn’t vote for him. Why in your mind does criticizing something about Democrats equate to being a Trump supporter? Maybe you should have been more critical of Democrats prior to the election & we wouldn’t be in this mess.
Why in your mind does criticizing something about Democrats equate to being a Trump supporter?
idk calling the Democratic candidate “Pro-Genocide” (They are not, no matter how much you claim they are), while letting the literal pro-genocide candidate off scott free.
Look, I much prefer any Democratic administration over a Republican one but it’s ABSOLUTELY correct to say the Democratic Party supports a genocide. They clearly didn’t respect international law nor did they comply with arrest warrants for Netanyahu. They also continued to fund Israel after human rights violation after human rights violation. What is that other than sheer, explicit support of a genocide?
Lol, you had the Biden “proud Zionist” admin literally vetoing UN resolutions demanding a ceasefire. Instead every answer was “we’ll always stand by Israel & give them money to continue.” Clearly if you believe that isn’t pro genocide then you’re living in a different pretend reality.
The Biden admin has been working with Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Palestinian Authority, Qatar, HAMAS, and Israel to actually establish a real ceasefire agreement.
Biden’s administration has been seeking a resolution that will end the blood shed. Trump’s administration is suggesting and supporting the outright REMOVAL of Palestinians. It’s not hard to see that.
You’ll never win this argument on Lemmy. The population here “know” that “genocide Joe” was the key enabler of Israel’s aggression and they can’t see nuance
As I see it Biden couldn’t disarm Israel as Israel disarmed would be obliterated, and that’s political suicide in America
Of course a Democrat government was lending whatever diplomatic weight they could to establishing lasting peace in the middle east - that would be a popular win if they succeeded
I’ve already gotten a few to explicitly say that the people mascaraed on October 7th “deserved it” or" “the Jews zionists did it”. Not to mention the few people who said “peace with the Jew zionist is impossible” and then follow up by citing the PLO’s One-State solution as the way to create “peace”.
I’m not arguing with them to win, I hope my comments are more of a counter point for reasonable people reading these comments. Not sure how well it works, but oh well.
As I see it Biden couldn’t disarm Israel as Israel disarmed would be obliterated, and that’s political suicide in America
Yep, and without a reasonable administration Israel will face zero opposition to the actions they are taking and want to take.
That is why I don’t care about ‘winning’ these arguments.
And also sometimes, I’m just pissed that these people view this conflict in black and white, at best.
The same Biden administration that helped kill 70k civilians. He got walked around the park by Netanyahu. Democrats & Republicans are both Israel first. The sooner you face reality the sooner Democrats will actually have to do something to earn votes. Look at where we’re at now. Did you make excuses for them to get us here?
Let’s not forget how we got here though cause if we do forget & survive this round, won’t be long before it comes back. I’m specifically referring to the pro-genocide candidate that we were all lied to about their cognition until we all saw the emperor had no clothes. Then they anointed the Cheney supporter that couldn’t think of anything she’d do differently.
That’s not really the root cause. Capitalism is closer to the root.
Money gets people elected.
Many of the ultra wealthy are bought in on the idea of cyclical history where things go golden age, decadent age, disaster, GOTO 1
So they fund the side that is most likely to wreck things, happy in the delusion that that must cause a golden age
Then business prefers weak government and little regulation
Then business wants more workers so they support whatever might get more babies born
So less capitalism, more unchecked capitalism and high inequality, and propaganda directed at those in power and the fact that to win in a 2 party democracy you just need to appeal to the bulk of people
Lol. Capitalism isn’t going away anytime soon. Democrats absolutely could have won if they actually stood for anything other than themselves.
Sure, but a big part of why they don’t do better is they want to continue the capitalist hellscape where a few people benefit from “owning” most everything.
Because that is the system people are subscribed to. You want big change & to take on capitalism you need a V for Vendetta. The system is built on capitalism. The best chance we’d prob have right now to take on capitalism is someone with a popular agenda that is good at acting, but once elected as President they basically say… Ha, now I’m immune & will use my platform to try to get rid of capitalism. They’d probably get assassinated real quick though. Or a complete collapse of the system.
Maybe. We can still try to work on multiple things at the same time.
Demand more from the Democrats.
Fight the right wing.
Push for better systems.
No one’s going to wave a magic wand and fix everything. though it would be funny to me if more billionaires were murdered , that’s not really likely or safe.
It’s called building dual power, and many of us are actually doing things every day to further that goal.
Is this sarcastic? Because that’s literally what we’re witnessing. We may have a chance at building a better world with better systems very soon.
Not if the same establishment Democrats get reelected then claim their hands are tied whenever Republicans try their usual antics.
Yeah, obviously. Doesn’t mean don’t be ready or don’t even try
not with that attitude
Capitalists should hold no political power, do you agree?
You realize Trump supports Russia (genocide of Ukrainians and minority ethnicities) and gave Israel the green light to continue on. Right?
Trump wants to start a war with Canada and Greenland. Right?
Seems like you fully support genocide. Despite having the audacity to claim otherwise.
I don’t support Trump & didn’t vote for him. Why in your mind does criticizing something about Democrats equate to being a Trump supporter? Maybe you should have been more critical of Democrats prior to the election & we wouldn’t be in this mess.
idk calling the Democratic candidate “Pro-Genocide” (They are not, no matter how much you claim they are), while letting the literal pro-genocide candidate off scott free.
Look, I much prefer any Democratic administration over a Republican one but it’s ABSOLUTELY correct to say the Democratic Party supports a genocide. They clearly didn’t respect international law nor did they comply with arrest warrants for Netanyahu. They also continued to fund Israel after human rights violation after human rights violation. What is that other than sheer, explicit support of a genocide?
The US is not a member of the ICC.
Lol, you had the Biden “proud Zionist” admin literally vetoing UN resolutions demanding a ceasefire. Instead every answer was “we’ll always stand by Israel & give them money to continue.” Clearly if you believe that isn’t pro genocide then you’re living in a different pretend reality.
The Biden admin has been working with Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Palestinian Authority, Qatar, HAMAS, and Israel to actually establish a real ceasefire agreement.
Biden’s administration has been seeking a resolution that will end the blood shed. Trump’s administration is suggesting and supporting the outright REMOVAL of Palestinians. It’s not hard to see that.
You’ll never win this argument on Lemmy. The population here “know” that “genocide Joe” was the key enabler of Israel’s aggression and they can’t see nuance
As I see it Biden couldn’t disarm Israel as Israel disarmed would be obliterated, and that’s political suicide in America
Of course a Democrat government was lending whatever diplomatic weight they could to establishing lasting peace in the middle east - that would be a popular win if they succeeded
I lost a tiktok watching friend over this
Na, they got something else going on.
I’ve already gotten a few to explicitly say that the people mascaraed on October 7th “deserved it” or" “the
Jewszionists did it”. Not to mention the few people who said “peace with theJewzionist is impossible” and then follow up by citing the PLO’s One-State solution as the way to create “peace”.I’m not arguing with them to win, I hope my comments are more of a counter point for reasonable people reading these comments. Not sure how well it works, but oh well.
Yep, and without a reasonable administration Israel will face zero opposition to the actions they are taking and want to take.
That is why I don’t care about ‘winning’ these arguments.
And also sometimes, I’m just pissed that these people view this conflict in black and white, at best.
The same Biden administration that helped kill 70k civilians. He got walked around the park by Netanyahu. Democrats & Republicans are both Israel first. The sooner you face reality the sooner Democrats will actually have to do something to earn votes. Look at where we’re at now. Did you make excuses for them to get us here?
Thanks for supporting trump because you’re a great morally pure saint
I’m a lot more moral than genocide supporters
Did you vote against Trump, or were you too “moral”?
I absolutely voted against Trump for Jill Stein.
So you wasted your vote
I’m very proud of my vote. I voted alongside the Palestinians that Kamala Cheney hates.
Still wasted as it’s first past the post and only the two major party nominees have any chance
How’d that work out for you?
You’re a genocide supporter who lies
Prove it. I bet you voted for a candidate that said they support Israel unconditionally.
I didn’t vote for trump, unlike you, you fraud.
Neither did I. Keep acting that way though please… You’ll help get more third party voters next election.
You voted third party. Worse than voting for Trump because you’re spreading the lie that it will help anything
You voted for the pro-genocide candidate. You lied, made excuses & can’t figure out why you lost to Trump.
fair, but Harris would have won without election rigging. Voter suppression and forced provisional ballots that were never counted.